Air France-KLM

[airforced]

They have always covered the UK well as we provide very valuable income for them for their onward connections from AMS. I always used to use them from MME rather than BA from MAN to LHR and onward when I was travelling to the Middle East and back. Many moons ago now but always a comfortable and pleasant flight (except once when a Garuda airframe was substituted for the usual DC10).

Presumably they are still benefiting from people who like Schipol as opposed to Heathrow although how their tie-up with Air France has affected this business one can only guess together with the general downward trend amongst legacy carriers since the LCC brigade entered the market. They have, despite all the negatives, maintained their regional presence which means, in my simple mind, that this business model is still working for them.

 

[Seasider]

Already used them once this year to go to France, next trip is Seoul - first time long haul. I find it easier (and more choice) to route via AMS than LHR.

 

[Silvercity]

They do cover the UK well.

But not LPL....I hope they retry.

 

[Jerry]

But not LPL....I hope they retry.

It is curious that they don't operate there. Hopefully the airport can get them back one day!

 

[Silvercity]

It is curious that they don't operate there. Hopefully the airport can get them back one day!

I think it would be worth them having another go, mind you they would need to expect a reaction from Easyjet like last time.

 

[jfy1999]

I've now merged the KLM thread with the Air France thread as there are posts on both airlines in both threads.

 

[jfy1999]

Air France formally takes over A350 orders from KLM​

Air France formally takes over A350 orders from KLM

Several daily Operator News updates covering all Operator Route Network changes, strategic fleet developments and aircraft orders, start-ups and bankruptcies, mergers and acquisitions and partnerships and alliances.

www.ch-aviation.com

 

[Jerry]

KLM are taking over Air France 787 10 order I believe so should be a good fit for both airlines.

 

[Jerry]

Exclusive: Air France-KLM in talks on multibillion euro state-backed loan package

Air France-KLM is in talks with banks to receive up to 6 billion euros ($6.5 billion) in loans guaranteed by the French and Dutch governments, as the airline group braces for a sustained coronavirus shutdown, sources told Reuters.

mobile.reuters.com

 

[Jerry]

€7 billion for Air France and €3.5 billion for KLM from the French and Dutch governments.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1253585097661591552

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Air France ordered to curb competition with rail in France

In exchange for a €7bn coronavirus aid package Air France will have to stop competing with TGV services where rail offers a viable alternative

www.railjournal.com

One of the conditions of the 7 billion euro French Government state aid package to Air France is a ban on the airline competing with the train on domestic routes where the rail journey time is two hours 30 minutes or less. This will prevent Air France selling tickets on flights from Paris to such places as Bordeaux, Lyon, Nantes and Rennes unless the passenger is using such flights for connection purposes.

I'm guessing that if the majority of passengers are point-to-point these Air France routes will cease to exist.

 

[Aviador]

Travel restrictions update:

KLM has taken note of the increase restriction across the UK. At this stage it is too early to assess the impact of these new measures on our flight schedule, but adjustments may be made.

To check the status of a flight to Amsterdam, click here: https://www.klm.nl/en/flight-status?destinationAirportCode=AMS&filter=C

Maximum flexibility:
To assist customers with the often changing travel restrictions, KLM has introduced a fully flexible commercial policy.
Customers can now request a refundable voucher of an unused ticket – with no fees and for whatever reason – for all tickets with a planned departure up and until 31 March 2021.

Customers then have the choice of buying a new ticket with the voucher or requesting a refund.
Click here for more information on these options: https://www.klm.com/travel/nl_en/prepare_for_travel/up_to_date/flight_update/index.htm

UK Network information:

We fly from 17 airports spanning England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland to connect to your destination via Amsterdam.
In an ever changing world however, in agreement with our airport partner friends at Cardiff, Inverness, Southampton and Teesside Airports, we have made the difficult decision to temporarily suspend services from these airports. We’re already planning our return, and services are set to resume mid-February.

You can fly #KLM from:

• Aberdeen Airport
• Belfast City Airport
• Birmingham Airport
• Bristol Airport
• Cardiff Airport (temporarily suspended from 16 November to mid-February)
• Edinburgh Airport
• Glasgow Airport
• Heathrow Airport
• Humberside Airport
• Inverness Airport (temporarily suspended to mid-February)
• Leeds Bradford Airport
• London City Airport
• Manchester Airport
• Newcastle International Airport
• Norwich Airport
• Southampton Airport (temporarily suspended from 23 November to mid-February)
• Teesside International Airport (temporarily suspended to mid-February)

Originally posted by @lbaspotter

 

[superking]

KLM/Air France are seeking 60 billion euros for a bail out from their goverments

 

[jason1-11]

60 billion euro. 6 billion seems more realistic.

 

[superking]

60 billion euro. 6 billion seems more realistic.

You are right it is 6 billion. I found a extra 0 from somewhere. Perhaps i was wishing it was the higher amount. Oh well i must go and see what else i can get wrong. Stay safe.

 

[jfy1999]

France's HOP! to become all Embraer operator

Several daily Operator News updates covering all Operator Route Network changes, strategic fleet developments and aircraft orders, start-ups and bankruptcies, mergers and acquisitions and partnerships and alliances.

www.ch-aviation.com

Under the new plan, HOP! had been shrunk by 50%, Smith said. It would be re-integrated into the parent company, operating as “Air France operated by HOP!”. The airline would be pulled completely out of Paris Orly, the main domestic airport outside Paris, where it would be replaced by Air France's low-cost subsidiary Transavia France (TO, Paris Orly), which would be operating the bulk of domestic trunk routes from there.

 

[Severn]

Air France/KLM flights to the UK
Similar to my Lufthansa Group post yesterday, I thought I'd take a look at what flights Air France/KLM offer from the UK.
I used a week in August-2021 and below shows the weekly frequency.

KLM
To AMS - 466x weekly

LHR, MAN, BHX, EDI, NCL, LCY, GLA, ABZ, BRS, NWI, INV, LBA, HUY, CWL, SOU, MME, BHD​

Air France
To CDG - 125x weekly

LHR, MAN, BHX, EDI, NCL​

Transavia
To RTM - 3x weekly

EDI ​

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From UK Airports

LHR - 112x weekly

AMS - 84x weekly (E190/B737/B738/B739)​

CDG - 42x weekly (A318/A319/A320/A321)​

MAN - 69x weekly

AMS - 41x weekly (E175/E190/B738)​

CDG - 28x weekly (E190/A318/A319/A320)​

BHX - 54x weekly

AMS - 33x weekly (E175/E190/B737/B738)​

CDG - 21x weekly (A320)​

EDI - 52x weekly

AMS - 35x weekly (E190/B737/B738)​

CDG - 14x weekly (A318/A319/A320)​

RTM - 3x weekly (B737/B738)​

NCL - 48x weekly

AMS - 28x weekly (E175/E190/B737/B738)​

CDG - 20x weekly (E170/E190)​

LCY - 36x weekly

AMS - 36x weekly (E190)​

GLA - 28x weekly

AMS - 28x weekly (E190/B737/B738/B739)​

ABZ - 28x weekly

AMS - 28x weekly (E175/E190/B737/B738)​

BRS - 28x weekly

AMS - 28x weekly (E175/E190/B737)​

NWI - 25x weekly

AMS - 25x weekly (E175/E190)​

INV - 20x weekly

AMS - 20x weekly (E175/E190/B737)​

LBA - 20x weekly

AMS - 20x weekly (E190)​

CWL - 20x weekly

AMS - 20x weekly (E175)​

HUY - 20x weekly

AMS - 20x weekly (E175)​

SOU - 14x weekly

AMS - 14x weekly (E175/190)​

MME - 13x weekly

AMS - 13x weekly (E175)​

BHD - 7x weekly

AMS - 7x weekly (E190)​

 

[Matt kenshole]

Interested to know if KLM will service EXT- it’s been showing on their booking system since the summer last year. But as of yet no flights physically bookable. Is anyone able to offering any clarity on this one?

 

[Aviador]

@Matt kenshole Hi Matt, we can only surmise at this time that KLM are waiting for the airline industry to properly restart before they re look at Exeter. We know they do well from UK regional airports so there's every chance they will. There's so much uncertainty at the moment its understandable most of the aviation industry is on hold right now.

 

[Jerry]

KLM’s updated 737-800 interior:

KLM unveils refreshed 737-800 interiors | PaxEx.Aero

The first of 14 refreshed KLM 737-800s returned to service this week with a brand new cabin interior. New seats, overhead bins, and other passenger-friendly features greet travelers on board.

paxex.aero