The objection from BHX is to do with the cranes rather than the height of the building.

I'm guessing there's a legal requirement for ATC to be made aware of tall cranes, otherwise the airport may be held responsible if we were to have a repeat of the London helicopter crash:


Soon BHX will have to get there heads around the fact that we are also proposing a tower on Broad street which will be 193 metres, oh and we need a crane on top to build the thing. Can you imagine there faces ?

 
This is not the first time this has reared its head. I recall a project being stopped by John Prescott when he was something important
in the Labour government due to the same objections by BHX/CAA.
Back then though i guess they were forecasting an airport with 25/30m pa by now.
Now they have to worry about the low climb rate of the 50 seat turboprops we will be left with.
 
to be fair the city centre is located on a hill so builders heights do not equate with aviation heights.
Might not but the city centre poses no obstacle for the planes. The isle of dogs has about 20 towers taller than One Broad Street within 2-3 miles of London City. It is ridiculous to think that this tower will have any impact and the planners at BHX should think again and withdraw their objection.

It aims up the lack of joint working between the airport and the city. That's why I will bang the heads together when I replace Ray as the CEO at BHX. It is all about the city region.
 
Last night I read a few articles about the objection and the common theme was that it was as a result of new flight paths introduced earlier this year which took the height of the BT Tower as the benchmark for the tallest point in the city. If buildings significantly taller were in planning (or even pre-planning) why were they not taken into consideration?

Do any organisations in this city ever work together for the greater good?
 
Last night I read a few articles about the objection and the common theme was that it was as a result of new flight paths introduced earlier this year which took the height of the BT Tower as the benchmark for the tallest point in the city. If buildings significantly taller were in planning (or even pre-planning) why were they not taken into consideration?

Do any organisations in this city ever work together for the greater good?
Unless the height is in the City's local plan, then it won't hold much weight. The airport planners need to re-examine this stance. As I say the airport and city should work as one. This is a darn decent building, together with the skinny one proposed just up the road.
 
Last night I read a few articles about the objection and the common theme was that it was as a result of new flight paths introduced earlier this year which took the height of the BT Tower as the benchmark for the tallest point in the city. If buildings significantly taller were in planning (or even pre-planning) why were they not taken into consideration?

Do any organisations in this city ever work together for the greater good?

My thoughts exactly Ray and also did BHX seriously not even think that Birmingham is transforming itself and maybe, just maybe they might want to build something which is taller than the BT tower built in the 1960s.

Seriously this is turning this city and its region into a laughing stock.

And there is something I don't understand as they are objecting to the crane not being any taller than the BT Tower but the building itself is taller than the BT Tower at 155metres ?????
 
And there is something I don't understand as they are objecting to the crane not being any taller than the BT Tower but the building itself is taller than the BT Tower at 155metres ?????

Looking from the suburbs today the crane for 103 Colmore Row is currently higher than the BT Tower, admittedly not by much but it is higher.
 
So how are they going to build a tower which is 155 metres when the developer have now said that the crane wont be any taller than the BT Tower ? Reduce the tower down to 40 floors maybe ?? :LOL:
 
Do pilots train for gaining rapid altitude and making dynamic turns to avoid weather and other structures? I mean, the city is clearly there, cannot miss it and buildings are static whilst aircraft can do wonderous things.

Perhaps the flight path issue needs adjusting, or once aircraft are airborne the engines can be set in reduced power if noise is the issue,but current engines are so quiet I often miss departures.

Does BHX have any say or is it NATS? I am not quite awake yet, too early and my medication has not begun working so I probably am not making sense, my apologies!
 
Do pilots train for gaining rapid altitude and making dynamic turns to avoid weather and other structures? I mean, the city is clearly there, cannot miss it and buildings are static whilst aircraft can do wonderous things.

Pilots are trained for manoeuvres to avoid terrain; weather is done on a 'live' basis in co-ordination with ATC through flying on a heading instead of following the flight path or climbing/descending to another level. Existing structures are taken into account when planning flight paths so they shouldn't need avoiding.

Perhaps the flight path issue needs adjusting, or once aircraft are airborne the engines can be set in reduced power if noise is the issue,but current engines are so quiet I often miss departures.

There are currently 2 different types of departure known as NADP 1 and 2 (noise abatement departure). This video does a good job explaining the differences (there's a few technical parts). Most airports use NADP2 unless noise is a particularly sensitive issue.


Does BHX have any say or is it NATS?

The airport have their own ATC service for Tower and Approach (not sure if they're 'owned' by the airport or if it's a completely separate company). At some point after departure aircraft are handed over to London Control (NATS), so both BHX ATC and NATS will be involved in planning any new departure procedures.

Last night I read a few articles about the objection and the common theme was that it was as a result of new flight paths introduced earlier this year which took the height of the BT Tower as the benchmark for the tallest point in the city. If buildings significantly taller were in planning (or even pre-planning) why were they not taken into consideration?

Do any organisations in this city ever work together for the greater good?

To set BT Tower as a benchmark doesn't mean that nothing taller can ever be built though. It just means that if someone proposes building something taller they need to submit some detailed information to the airport so they can assess if it will impact on the flight path. Cranes are a regular feature in NOTAMS including their maximum height above ground or the airfield, how far from the airfield they are and whether they are lit or not.
 
Anybody seen the story that Bham Council are to spruce up the city centre including restoring the Victoria Square fountain to a fountain.
Good news and long overdue. But hang on a minute.This is to impress visitors to the Commonwealth Games.
Presumably the council have thought for he past few years that rectifying this embarrassment was not worth the bother just for its own citizens.
 
Congratulations Adam, definitely well deserved (y)
Now this is worth celebrating. One thing the city is doing really well at and that is breeding some of the best restaurants in the country. 5 Michelin stars and 4 holding steady as year on year regulars. Add Peels at Hampton and plus a couple down the road in Stratford and Kenilworth and foodie heaven.

This is what we need to put at the front of the city region promotion. Only London is better served, although Bristol doing good things at the moment.
 
Anybody seen the story that Bham Council are to spruce up the city centre including restoring the Victoria Square fountain to a fountain.
Good news and long overdue. But hang on a minute.This is to impress visitors to the Commonwealth Games.
Presumably the council have thought for he past few years that rectifying this embarrassment was not worth the bother just for its own citizens.

C'mon 58, are you seriously saying that Birmingham is alone in doing such things ?? Every city around the world is looking to impress when it hosts a big international event and Brum is no different.

Stop being so cynical all the time, this is our moment to shine so LETS DO IT WITH A BANG.

It gets my full support (y)
 

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