Can someone on here just clear up the situation regarding max and neo aircraft operating in the "night time" period please? Are these types going to be excluded from the night time quota because if this was the case then thats a massive boost for the airport? Is this decision part of what the airport management are waiting on?
The airport say they are excluded as their noise levels fall below the limits included in the 24H planning approval. The Councils planning department have yet to confirm their views but I've little doubt that if they don't agree, the airport will take it further. The restrictions were based on decibel levels, hence turboprops being excluded , so if the MAX and NEO fall below that limit, they should be also excluded.

Afraid not, they are included
Says who? The Council have yet to say anything on the matter.
 
The airport say they are excluded as their noise levels fall below the limits included in the 24H planning approval. The Councils planning department have yet to confirm their views but I've little doubt that if they don't agree, the airport will take it further. The restrictions were based on decibel levels, hence turboprops being excluded , so if the MAX and NEO fall below that limit, they should be also excluded.


Says who? The Council have yet to say anything on the matter.
Ok thanks for clearing that up wh! So its just a case of wait and see now.

The airport say they are excluded as their noise levels fall below the limits included in the 24H planning approval. The Councils planning department have yet to confirm their views but I've little doubt that if they don't agree, the airport will take it further. The restrictions were based on decibel levels, hence turboprops being excluded , so if the MAX and NEO fall below that limit, they should be also excluded.


Says who? The Council have yet to say anything on the matter.
Ok thanks for clearing that up wh! So its just a case of wait and see but far as im concerned if these decibel levels were approved in the 90s and its a concrete agreement then no way are neo and max aircraft part of the night quota and therefore as many of those types can arrive/depart during night hrs.
If the council were against extending day hours then that would be no bad thing if neos and maxs were not part of the night quota as more airlines are moving to these types plus all other jet engines are on the whole becoming somewhat quieter and greener.
 
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Not often I reply like this, but…. This gay doesn’t need to take a breather, thanks, as I’ve not entered into the debate until now, and I’m only commenting now as my people got a shout out🤣
 
Not often I reply like this, but…. This gay doesn’t need to take a breather, thanks, as I’ve not entered into the debate until now, and I’m only commenting now as my people got a shout out🤣

Sorry if I've offended anyone. I'll put my hands up to a spelling mistake.
 
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Hmm! These anti airport NIMBYs who have been moaning about night movements are not going to be happy. They are going to need a considerably bigger spreadsheet to show off to Look North!

Over the next two days, LBA has no less than 36 night time movements. 8 departures both Friday and Saturday before 0700, and 8 arrivals after 2300 on Friday/Saturday, and 12, the most I have seen, all after midnight Sunday morning.

Am I bovvered?
 
Hmm! These anti airport NIMBYs who have been moaning about night movements are not going to be happy. They are going to need a considerably bigger spreadsheet to show off to Look North!

Over the next two days, LBA has no less than 36 night time movements. 8 departures both Friday and Saturday before 0700, and 8 arrivals after 2300 on Friday/Saturday, and 12, the most I have seen, all after midnight Sunday morning.

Am I bovvered?
And 17 arrivals on friday between 12.25 and 3.30pm which works out at roughly 1 arrival every 10mins, great to see the airport so busy!
 
And 17 arrivals on friday between 12.25 and 3.30pm which works out at roughly 1 arrival every 10mins, great to see the airport so busy!

How many? 17 between 12:25 and 3:30pm. Surely that's a record. Also that must mean 17 out between that time. It's amazing. (I'd count 18 as 11:55am Jet2 from Reus set's it all off).

Jet2 has 66% of all arrivals in that period.
Hmm! These anti airport NIMBYs who have been moaning about night movements are not going to be happy. They are going to need a considerably bigger spreadsheet to show off to Look North!

Over the next two days, LBA has no less than 36 night time movements. 8 departures both Friday and Saturday before 0700, and 8 arrivals after 2300 on Friday/Saturday, and 12, the most I have seen, all after midnight Sunday morning.

Am I bovvered?

Saturday nights into Sunday mornings have become a talking point with family friend. She lives in Burley, not bothered by the airport, but always raises it every summer that there's usually around 6/7 arrivals, mostly Jet2, all between 0130 and 0300.
 
Hmm! These anti airport NIMBYs who have been moaning about night movements are not going to be happy.
These people have little, to no idea of what they are talking about. Aircraft are simply not noisy these days, see following graph -

Ucak-gurultu_motor.jpg


Credit: Eurocontrol.

Noise levels are measured on the decibel (dB) scale. This is not a linear (straight line), but logarithmic scale Therefore, a change of 3dB represents a halving or doubling of the sound level (depending on whether it's a reduction or increase in sound). So, if you start off at 100dB's and reduce it to 97dB, the sound level is halved. It's not just a 3% reduction.
From the above graph, the A320 and B737-800 have halved and then halved again the sound levels of the B727-100. The A230-NEO has more than halved these sound levels again.
I remember my early days of being an aviation enthusiast and watching the likes of B707's, DC-8's B737-200's and One-Eleven's taking off with an ear splitting crackle and roar (and I loved it). Today's NIMBY's would probably have a mental breakdown if those noise levels still persisted.
 
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Over the next two days, LBA has no less than 36 night time movements. 8 departures both Friday and Saturday before 0700, and 8 arrivals after 2300 on Friday/Saturday, and 12, the most I have seen, all after midnight Sunday morning.
What is interesting is during the terminal planning application to alter the night flying rules many people were saying, but we don't want night flying, not realising the airport already operated a considerable number of night flights.
 
These people have little, to no idea of what they are talking about. Aircraft are simply not noisy these days, see following graph -

Ucak-gurultu_motor.jpg


Credit: Eurocontrol.

Noise levels are measured on the decibel (dB) scale. This is not a linear (straight line), but logarithmic scale Therefore, a change of 3dB represents a halving or doubling of the sound level (depending on whether it's a reduction or increase in sound). So, if you start off at 100dB's and reduce it to 97dB, the sound level is halved. It's not just a 3% reduction.
From the above graph, the A320 and B737-800 have halved and then halved again the sound levels of the B727-100. The A230-NEO has more than halved these sound levels again.
I remember my early days of being an aviation enthusiast and watching the likes of B707's, DC-8's B737-200's and One-Eleven's taking off with an ear splitting crackle and roar (and I loved it). Today's NIMBY's would probably have a mental breakdown if those noise levels still persisted.
Ah well, NIMBYs aren't really interested in the noise levels. They would object if all our flights were operated by gliders! They just dont want anything flying over their precious houses . They certainly dont want to hear that actually, aircraft are much, much quieter. Hence all the complaints recently when the Wizz A321NEO departed during the night. I'm convinced the complaints were 'arranged' to undermine the airports assertion that the type are noise exempt and to influence the Council planners.
What is interesting is during the terminal planning application to alter the night flying rules many people were saying, but we don't want night flying, not realising the airport already operated a considerable number of night flights.
Yes, including a certain Councillor from Bradford who was quoted as saying LBA must not be allowed to become a 24 hour airport!! Perhaps if the aircraft were a bit noisier and caused him more disturbance (tricky really as he lives in Ilkley which is not directly on any flight path) he might have realised it's been 24H for 29 years ....
 
No doubt the anti-airport group will be rolling out local resident Agnes Mildew, aged 85 saying “I’ve lived through two World wars and never known anything like it, it’s like being in the trenches”.
She'd need to be a bit older than 85 though to live through two world wars. My Mum's 103 and was born after WW1. A minor detail! 🙂
 
I hope Kevin Farnell will pass this interesting info to the local rags and the BBC when they quote the nimbys. Mind you it will be beyond their comprehension.
Yes and I lived through most of the second world war and never heard anything like it either!
The key words relating to LBA for me are 'never heard anything'. And I live adjacent to the final approach on 32. I never hear any if the landing aircraft overnight, unless I'm already awake .
A deliberate mistake!
You could get a job with the anti airport mob as our spy! They make deliberate mistakes/untruths regularly so you'd pass the entrance exam easily !
 
@White Heather I live under the 32 approach or 14. I say under, off set. 14 used to be lovely his time of year especially for 757 departures. The trouble is we just ignore them, and then get used to them. They are a minor sound for all of 20 seconds. If that.

People however have no rationale - will live next to Lawnswood Roundabout or Otley Old Road and will complain. Despite living near the busiest of the roads in Leeds North West. They let aviation noise trigger them - then go "it affects my mental health" BS when actually its their inability to ignore it.

I won't lie I never heard the Wizz Air. Don't hear todays or any other days departures since the 757 have now gone.
 
I hope Kevin Farnell will pass this interesting info to the local rags and the BBC when they quote the nimbys.
Being originally from the West Midlands and now living in Cambridgeshire, I'm not familiar with the local press in Yorkshire. You are (of course) more than welcome to pass on my post to the local papers and even the national ones too.

Regards

Kevin
 

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