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Since the SOU went x2 daily it is regularly 30pax on average both ways. Peak days such as Monday and Friday I’ve seen it full or at least over 40!
You’d be surprised how many cruise pax use this route too you know! I see 3-4 couples every week using it to catch a cruise in Southampton, which is very risky, but a lot book onto the BA if it starts to get a bit tight!!

With regards to BHD I can’t remember the last time it was booked at below 40, maybe even 50! Even with 5 flights tomorrow (Sunday) every flight is currently booked at 60 or above with the exception of the 734 which is “part time” anyway.

The same with the NQY and DUS routes. They are at the moment consistent performers of load factors over 75%! More so NQY but again it’s very rare I see the DUS booked at below 50!

NQY is booked at 88 today, 77 tomorrow and on Tuesday it’s 69. Albeit it’s school holidays for Leeds this week but still high loads.
DUS is booked at 69 today, 68 tomorrow and 70 on Monday.

In general I don’t think they struggle to fill the seats on any of their routes most of the time..
 
The above post was meant for yesterday (Friday) apologies. :unsure::unsure:o_O
The NQY was booked at 88 yesterday as was the DUS, which was booked at 69. - "Tomorrow's" figures still refer to Sunday.
 
Well if they do go (and I seriously hope they don't), there will be a lot bigger UK airports than LBA that will take a big hit. Manny and Brum come to mind for starters.
 
The biggest immediate problem as I see it is with a share price of 10 pence even a one pence movement either way makes rich pickings of 10% profit overnight for the professional speculators over the last two days the share trading has been high, roughly 1.25 million shares traded. You need deep pockets to do it and accept the risk but there is money to be made.

At this rate suppliers will demand money up front (how much do they owe BHX or MAN say not to mention fuel suppliers or even MAEL )

Really hope it works out but the managment of the company does not instill much confidence.
 
Maybe Jet2 should pitch in and buy them while they are at such a low price. Would give them loads of extra slots at Manny and Brum in particular.
 
Maybe Jet2 should pitch in and buy them while they are at such a low price. Would give them loads of extra slots at Manny and Brum in particular.
Which aren't airports that are slot restricted. Unless it's a foreign airline like say Qatar Airways i don't see any UK/EU airline investing or buying them.
 
I thought they were, my mistake. How about additional parking stands instead??
 
Whilst things clearly remain less than ideal for Flybe the general consensus around the office just now is there is no immediate cause for concern. That said things clearly still need to change. Management need to stop wanting to operate dead end routes (not going to specify but we all know there is only one airport in Yorkshire) and also get off those where direct competition exists. Yes I/we are biased but we have LBA crying out for extra connectivity - routes that could be operated without competition. Get double daily on Düsseldorf, get NQY daily, take over BER from LS. Those are just for staters where minimal marketing and risk exist. Wakey Wakey Flybe.........
 
Whilst things clearly remain less than ideal for Flybe the general consensus around the office just now is there is no immediate cause for concern. That said things clearly still need to change. Management need to stop wanting to operate dead end routes (not going to specify but we all know there is only one airport in Yorkshire) and also get off those where direct competition exists. Yes I/we are biased but we have LBA crying out for extra connectivity - routes that could be operated without competition. Get double daily on Düsseldorf, get NQY daily, take over BER from LS. Those are just for staters where minimal marketing and risk exist. Wakey Wakey Flybe.........

Couldn’t agree more they just don’t seem to be in the position to take the plunge and add more routes financially
 
EXT-LBA-ABZ would be great, if done right. It would need to be twice daily to have any chance of picking up business punters. Leisure travel should be an absolute gimme. M1/M42/M5 roads from hell or a 4 hour plus rail journey. Aberdeen even worse.
 
Whilst things clearly remain less than ideal for Flybe the general consensus around the office just now is there is no immediate cause for concern. That said things clearly still need to change. Management need to stop wanting to operate dead end routes (not going to specify but we all know there is only one airport in Yorkshire) and also get off those where direct competition exists. Yes I/we are biased but we have LBA crying out for extra connectivity - routes that could be operated without competition. Get double daily on Düsseldorf, get NQY daily, take over BER from LS. Those are just for staters where minimal marketing and risk exist. Wakey Wakey Flybe.........
I'm sure there is another airport in Yorkshire is LBA-NQY really affected by the DSA route in all honesty how much does one airport affect the other in general surely the MAN effect is a whole different story to the two competing against each other?

The German routes failed at DSA a while back so I don't see them coming back so LBA could fill it's boots there, it's pretty boring all this LBA/DSA stuff they are operating on totally different scales at the end of the day we all know that. Wizz are affecting LBA on a minimal scale Flybe to I would assume as for TUI they probably feel LBA is a Jet 2 stronghold and they are happy to let them have it how it is and DSA is a better option for them.

At present Flybe seem happy with what they have at DSA they have aircraft sat doing nothing at times so expansion seems unlikely or they would of acted by now and tried other routes I personally see only one area of growth CDG could be upped from a ridiculous 2 weekly at DSA so effectively LBA could potentially get more Flybe flights as it looks like Flybe are offering what they can down the road with little chance of expansion if it happens good luck to LBA but this DSA nonsense is ridiculous it's like anything DSA ever gets big brother (LBA) should take it off them with some people on here.
 
I'm sure there is another airport in Yorkshire is LBA-NQY really affected by the DSA route in all honesty how much does one airport affect the other in general surely the MAN effect is a whole different story to the two competing against each other?

The German routes failed at DSA a while back so I don't see them coming back so LBA could fill it's boots there, it's pretty boring all this LBA/DSA stuff they are operating on totally different scales at the end of the day we all know that. Wizz are affecting LBA on a minimal scale Flybe to I would assume as for TUI they probably feel LBA is a Jet 2 stronghold and they are happy to let them have it how it is and DSA is a better option for them.

At present Flybe seem happy with what they have at DSA they have aircraft sat doing nothing at times so expansion seems unlikely or they would of acted by now and tried other routes I personally see only one area of growth CDG could be upped from a ridiculous 2 weekly at DSA so effectively LBA could potentially get more Flybe flights as it looks like Flybe are offering what they can down the road with little chance of expansion if it happens good luck to LBA but this DSA nonsense is ridiculous it's like anything DSA ever gets big brother (LBA) should take it off them with some people on here.
At a recent LBA consultative committee meeting, a member asked LBA management if they saw DSA as a threat to LBA growth and they said they didn't. They stated that DSA is more of a competitor to EMA and to a lesser extent, HUY, than to LBA, being located at the very southern extremity of Yorkshire and some distance from the key LBA catchment area.
I think that much of the annoyance re DSA in these parts (if I can use that term) revolves around the fact that our main charter operator at the time, Thomson, just abandoned LBA in favour of a lucrative deal down at DSA, and expected its (then loyal) customers to travel down there for their flights instead of using their own airport. Particularly annoying given that LBA was just getting going, having finally thrown off the shackles imposed by planning authorities in the form of a night time flying ban. The other annoyance is the way that Flybe, at the very last minute, appeared to base aircraft at DSA, instead of LBA, who had already gone so far as to mark out the apron markings for the based Flybe aircraft. I think it was the way it was done that left a sour taste. Flybe tend to have very good loads out of LBA on the routes they do operate, and there were real opportunities for them out of LBA despite the presence of Jet2 - in fact Jet2 are progressively giving up routes that Flybe could, with the right aircraft, have done well with. Dusseldorf is an example. Berlin could be another, Paris CDG yet another.

I agree that Wizz is not really impacting on LBA as most the key routes are covered here by Ryanair. Wizz has built up its presence at DSA to some extent because of the number of Eastern European workers coming over to Lincolnshire to work on the farms etc. How this will be impacted by the dreaded B word remains to be seen.

When DSA first opened, their management claimed that within 10 years they would be the main airport for Yorkshire & The Humber, which for those of us who have fought for LBA over the years, did not make good reading. The reality is somewhat different. Over that 10 years, LBA has increased its passenger numbers by more than DSA has developed its passenger numbers, although this is mainly due to Jet2 and Ryanair. Where DSA has the potential to excel is in cargo operations and it is already handling some very large visitors. It is just a shame for DSA that EMA is already a major player in the cargo market and is unlikely to be displaced any time soon. My personal view is that with LBA, MAN, EMA and HUY, DSA was never required in the first place, a view shared within the industry at the time, and expressed at the public enquiry. It was likely that it would either struggle, or if successful it would be at the expense of other established airports, impacting on established jobs too. To some extent that has been shown to the be the case - a bit of both really. DSA has struggled in that a number of airlines have tried, and failed from there, with growth mainly being based on TUi, Wizz, and more recently Flybe, but there is no doubt at all that the loss of Thomson/TUi to DSA negatively impacted LBA at the time. It is fortunate that the impact was negated by the arrival and rapid growth of Jet2.com, and that might not have happened the way it did had TUi maintained or increased their presence at LBA.

Flybe are no doubt currently contracted to DSA, so it will be interesting to see what happens when that contract comes up for renewal. Personally I wish DSA all the best, but that is provided it is not impacting on growth at LBA. I am nothing if not parochial!
 
White Heather, I must say I agree with your comments above looking back on the last 10 years or so. Whilst it was disappointing to see Thomson/Tui move to DSA it was probably the best thing to happen to LBA in that it made LBA more attractive to Jet2 when setting up. LBA was underserved by the "charter" airlines so Jet2 saw an opening in this Yorkshire airport. I believe they had considered Birmingham in the beginning but decided on LBA, a move they will consider to be very beneficial now giving them the springboard for greater expansion even including Birmingham now. LBA has about 15+ aircraft based at LBA now, Tui at DSA has 2, 3 next year. !!!
As for Flybe -- would LBA really want them based there? Maybe, but they have chopped and changed routes all over the place and perhaps expanding at LBA might have the effect of deterring other potential short haul operators, such as Bmi Regional. I do agree that if Flybe could get their act together they could make a success of LBA to Brussels, CDG, Berlin, etc. Anyway - we await this "announcement" to see what is really going to happen. Exciting days at Leeds.
 
Flybe has some deep routed financial problems that wont go away.
They have a contracted fleet that is far larger then they can use, yet the surplus aircraft are not required by any other airline (mainly due to their high leasing costs) and are just burning money.
This problem will not go away and there is no way the business can create revenue to pay for this cost and the rights issue money has basically all now been spent on these aircraft.
Its impossible for the company to go back again to shareholders for more cash and a pre packed administration looks the only route, but not sure the CAA would approve.
Meddling with the routes wont help at all and is only a small part of the companies problems.
 
Part of Flybe's ongoing strategy has been to buy it's aircraft off the leasing companies to reduce costs. They want at least 50% of the fleet owned.
As far as LBA goes if they want a base then the management will need to get the cheque book out and offer incentives and as far as W pattern route options i realistically only see AMS and CDG as being options.
 
Part of Flybe's ongoing strategy has been to buy it's aircraft off the leasing companies to reduce costs. They want at least 50% of the fleet owned.
As far as LBA goes if they want a base then the management will need to get the cheque book out and offer incentives and as far as W pattern route options i realistically only see AMS and CDG as being options.
Flybe's problem is that it wishes to remove all 9 Embrear 195 aircraft from the fleet immediately. Unfortunately all are on lease until 2020. The fleet at the moment is 15 aircraft too heavy, 9 embrear are already planned to go, plus another 6 aircraft.
THis is 20% of the currant fleet, the leaseholder wont take the 9 embrear back and no one else will take any other aircraft even though they can cherry pick from the fleet.
These unused aircraft are draining the financial resources of the company.
Where in a House of Fraser situation, why would anyone buy the company when its aircraft estate in the present situation
 
Ironic really as there were routes they could probably have picked up on an E195 and made a go out of here at LBA. They seem to be paying the price for their disorganised past and a catalogue of bad decisions. I just hope that they come out the other side of this. We cannot afford to lose Flybe.
 
They need to find them routes to earn their keep then.....
I think after 2 decades of LCC operations, all profitable routes have now been located and well covered.
WH is right, the wasting of the rights issue money by the previous management and other bad decisions has put the airline in its fairly dreadful position. When you consider they have also burned the £20m from the sale of Gatwick slots, add the £150m rights issue all gone in 4 years.
 
Personally I think they will survive by the skin of their teeth but they have absolutely no margin for any more errors. I too really do hope they survive and for once being completely unbiased that is for the sake of UK aviation, not just LBA
 
Flybe's problem is that it wishes to remove all 9 Embrear 195 aircraft from the fleet immediately. Unfortunately all are on lease until 2020. The fleet at the moment is 15 aircraft too heavy, 9 embrear are already planned to go, plus another 6 aircraft.
They should be down to 4 E195s for next summer with 3 going to Stobarts which i think they've already bought 1 and are leasing 2 at the moment as well and 2 will be going back this winter and eventually by January 2020 the E195s will be gone and the jet fleet will consist of 15 E175s. I believe as well that they will get rid of more of the ex Republic Airways Q400s as well which will trim the fleet down some more as well. Route wise i believe they will look more at their strong routes and their strength as airline which is 60 mins to 90 mins sectors on regional aircraft. As for profitable routes just because an LCC isn't operating it doesn't neccesarily mean it's not profitable.
As for who would buy them well investors will have lots of different reasons and maybe we might get surprised. Just look at Icelandair and WOW. Personally i think in the long term they might be wise to develop a relationship with Ryanair and do what Air Malta will do and sell flights through their website as well as it would give them exposure to a lot of customers who might not neccesarily look at Flybe.
 
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