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Bilko

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Ok thanks for that yes I agree Houston looking dodgey although if it does start it will help ensure where I work in Security at Transfers being opened again for Transfer pax from/to USA

If I do get back there from 15th July when T2 opens if accurate pax figures are required by you folks please feel free to ask and I will do my best.

It’s going to be a long haul for the airport in terms of pax travelling and with regard to jobs certainty it’s going to be like walking on the Giants Causeway decidedly uneven

Cheers from Bilko
 

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Flew for the first time yesterday (since 14th March) with Ryanair to Carcassone in France.
Arrived at a very quiet train station around midday, the walk to T3 was also very quiet, but once inside T3 busy than I expected, which can only be good news. I noticed about 3-4 flights within the space of a few hours - Faro, Krakow, Paris CDG and mine (I think).

No random temperature checks were evident as far as I could see. Social distance evident though and it seemed to all be pretty organised, but of course, once more flights re-start, more passengers will use the terminals, so it's not going to be possible to completely social distance at some point, never mind on a full plane!
I noticed everyone had masks on (apart from the gate agent), she had a screen in front of the computer at gate 52 but instead took our passports and boarding passes off us to check.

115 passengers on board the Ryanair flight, so around 60% full. Pretty good I thought and most passengers adhered to the rule of remaining seated until a toilet was available. Cabin crew announced the seat belt signs would remain on throughout the flight, but they would announce when it was safe to use the toilets and when they were locked again.

Good experaince all round in the "new normal". I fly back on Friday and just hope that journey goes as smooth as the outbound. I certainly won't hesitate to fly somewhere within a few hours away, not sure about further yet as the mask can be unconformable after a while.

Stay safe everyone and happy flying!
 

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Taken from the airport's website:


14th July 2020
The key things you need to know about Manchester Airport this week - 14th July
Summary
Terminal Two re-opening, the return of Jet2.com, other airline increases and ongoing safety measures
With Terminal Two re-opening this week, all three of Manchester Airport’s terminals will be open from Wednesday 15th July. Here is the latest information and advice from the airport to make your journey as seamless, safe and easy as possible.
Terminals:
As passenger numbers continue to increase, Manchester Airport has decided to open Terminal Two from tomorrow, 15th July.
This will mean all three of the airport’s terminals are operating, helping people travel safely while keeping their distance from others wherever possible. As passenger volumes increase as will the airport’s retail offering, the full list can be found further on.
Some existing Terminal Two carriers started flying before the 15th, meaning they will operate from Terminal One beforehand. The table below highlights which terminal each airline is flying from and when they move to Terminal Two:
Airline
Information
Brussels AirlinesRemaining in Terminal One for July – move to Terminal Two TBC
Ethiopian AirlinesRemaining in Terminal One for July – move to Terminal Two TBC
EurowingsRemaining in Terminal One for July – move to Terminal Two TBC
Hainan AirlinesFlights on 10th and 25th July in Terminal One - move to Terminal Two TBC
Iran AirRemaining in Terminal One for July – move to Terminal Two TBC
Jet2.comFlights resume from 15th July in Terminal One
Qatar AirwaysMoving to Terminal Two on 17th July
TUIFlights resume from 11th July in Terminal One and moves to Terminal Two on 15th July
The new Terminal Two forecourt will also open on 15th July, which is available for dropping off passengers directly outside the check in hall.
Terminal Three re-opened on the 1st July and currently British Airways, Air France, KLM, Ryanair, Loganair and Eastern Airways operate from there. Vueling will resume services from there this week.
Passengers are advised to check which terminal they’re flying from before arriving at the airport.
Safety Measures:
For more than a month the airport has introduced a range of measures to keep all passengers and staff safe. These include wearing face coverings, enhanced cleaning, Perspex screens, bookable security slots and temperature checks. Details on all of the measures can be found here: www.manchesterairport.co.uk/coronavirus
The airport also encourages passengers to watch this video before coming to the airport, to ensure they are as prepared as possible:


Flights:

Over the last few weeks more and more flights have started to resume operations. This week sees the return of Jet2.com, Etihad, plus TUI, Ryanair and easyJet have all increased services.

Passengers are reminded to check the latest Government information regarding travel corridors: www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-corridors

It is also important to take account of the latest Foreign and Commonwealth Travel advice relating to any restrictions in your destination. This can be found here https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice

Here is the latest list of which flights/airlines are to come and what’s already started.

Resuming this week:

  • Ryanair:
    • Malta
    • Chania


  • easyJet:
    • Athens
    • Barcelona
    • Basel
    • Corfu
    • Copenhagen
    • Catania
    • Gibraltar
    • Geneva
    • Hamburg
    • Heraklion
    • Jersey
    • Lisbon
    • Malta
    • Paphos
    • Prague
    • Pisa
    • Berlin
    • Venice


  • Etihad – Abu Dhabi


  • Jet.com:
    • Lanzarote
    • Izmir
    • Malaga
    • Alicante
    • Antalya
    • Bodrum
    • Corfu
    • Dubrovnik
    • Dalaman
    • Kefalonia
    • Bergerac
    • Faro
    • Funchal
    • Fuerteventura
    • Girona
    • Heraklion
    • Ibiza
    • Skiathos
    • Kos
    • Larnaca
    • Almeria
    • Las Palmas
    • La Rochelle
    • Menorca
    • Paphos
    • Palma
    • Pisa
    • Pula
    • Preveza
    • Reus
    • Rhodes
    • Murcia
    • Split
    • Tenerife
    • Zante


  • SAS:
    • Copenhagen
    • Oslo


  • TUI:
    • Lanzarote
    • Corfu
    • Heraklion
    • Kos
    • Rhodes
    • Tenerife


  • Vueling – Barcelona
Already resumed:

  • Emirates – Dubai
  • Eastern Airways – Southampton
  • Swiss Airlines – Zurich
  • Iran Air – Tehran
  • Finnair – Helsinki
  • British Airways – Heathrow
  • Brussels Airlines – Brussels


  • easyJet:
    • Malaga
    • Alicante
    • Amsterdam
    • Belfast
    • Paris
    • Faro
    • Palma
    • Tenerife


  • Ethiopian Airlines – Addis Ababa
  • Pegasus – Istanbul
  • Turkish Airlines – Istanbul


  • TUI:
    • Ibiza
    • Palma


  • Ryanair:
    • Dublin
    • Lanzarote
    • Malaga
    • Alicante
    • Barcelona
    • Milan
    • Budapest
    • Rome
    • Brussels
    • Faro
    • Ibiza
    • Lisbon
    • Madrid
    • Palma
    • Prague
    • Berlin
    • Tenerife
    • Brindisi
    • Belfast
    • Billund
    • Bologna
    • Bordeaux
    • Bratislava
    • Cagliari
    • Carcassonne
    • Corfu
    • Cologne
    • Eindhoven
    • Fuerteventura
    • Gdansk
    • Kiev
    • Kerry
    • Krakow
    • Almeria
    • Limoges
    • Nantes
    • Porto
    • Palermo
    • Pisa
    • Reus
    • Rhodes
    • Murcia
    • Rzeszow
    • Thessaloniki
    • Shannon
    • Seville
    • Sandefjord
    • Venice
    • Valencia
    • Warsaw
    • Wroclaw
    • Agadir
    • Beziers
    • Copenhagen
    • Gothenburg
    • Girona
    • Katowice
    • Marseilles
    • Naples
    • Marrakesh
    • Riga
Remained throughout:

  • Air France
  • KLM
  • PIA
  • Qatar Airways
  • Aer Lingus
  • Lufthansa
  • Eurowings
  • Loganair
Retail Offering:

As more and more passengers and flights return, as will the airport’s retail offering. A handful of outlets have remained open throughout, with more set to open in the coming weeks. In addition to passengers being able to purchase food and drink, they can also take advantage of the free water fountains across the site to fill up empty bottles.

In Terminal Two MAG Hospitality will also be providing a café style takeaway, offering a range of hot and cold beverages, and light snacks and sandwiches.

Opening soon:

  • Terminal One – JD Sports – airside – 15th July
  • Terminal One – Burger King – airside – 15th July
  • Terminal One – Grain Loft – airside – 15th July
  • Terminal One – Starbucks – airside – 15th July
  • Terminal One – Fat Face – airside – w/c 20th July
  • Terminal One – Pret a Manger – airside and landside – 20th July
  • Terminal Two – Greggs – landside – 15th July
  • Terminal Two – WH Smith – airside – 17th July
  • Terminal Three – KFC – airside – 20th July
Already open:

  • Terminal One – Biza – duty free
  • Terminal One – Playnation – airside
  • Terminal One – Timberland – airside
  • Terminal One – WH Smith – airside
  • Terminal One – Boots – landside
  • Terminal One – Greggs – landside
  • Terminal One – Spar – landside
  • Terminal One – Next – airside
  • Terminal One – Boots – airside
  • Terminal One – AeroSpa – airside
  • Terminal Two – Playnation – airside
  • Terminal Three – Boots – airside
  • Terminal Three – Pork & Pickle – airside
  • Terminal Three – WH Smith – airside
  • Terminal Three – Caffe Nero – landside
  • Terminal Three – Biza – duty free
  • Terminal Three – Lion & Antelope – airside
  • Ground Transport Interchange – Caffe Nero
Brad Miller, Chief Operating Officer at Manchester Airport, said:

“As we continue to see the return of more airlines and destinations for our passengers to fly to, we remain fully committed to ensuring their safety throughout their airport journey.

“With the introduction of travel corridors, we envisage passenger numbers to continue to increase, which is why we are opening Terminal Two from 15th July, to maximise the airport space.

“These travel corridors will open up the chance for people to enjoy a well-earned break abroad and directly benefit the hundreds of thousands of people whose jobs depend on air travel for their livelihoods - whether they work in aviation or for the UK's tourism and hospitality businesses, which can now welcome the first overseas visitors we will have seen for months.

“We have made our airport safe for our passengers and staff, and we have already started limited operations to many of these countries. With the quarantine requirement now removed, we look forward to safely welcoming back many more passengers in the coming weeks.

“I’d again like to thank all our passengers for continuing to abide by the measures in place during these uncertain times, and also thank all our staff who have gone above and beyond to ensure safe travel for all.”
 

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VS just pulled our Orlando flights for September. Either they know something we don’t know about restrictions being extended or they’re concentrating on more definite routes in the short term.

Expect availability and information to be updated on this next week.
 

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VS just pulled our Orlando flights for September. Either they know something we don’t know about restrictions being extended or they’re concentrating on more definite routes in the short term.

Expect availability and information to be updated on this next week.

I suspect with the way the USA is handling coronavirus, and the fact Florida currently has more new cases than any other state, Orlando likely won't be a holiday destination for many Brits until next year at least.
 

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Flew for the first time yesterday (since 14th March) with Ryanair to Carcassone in France.
Arrived at a very quiet train station around midday, the walk to T3 was also very quiet, but once inside T3 busy than I expected, which can only be good news. I noticed about 3-4 flights within the space of a few hours - Faro, Krakow, Paris CDG and mine (I think).

No random temperature checks were evident as far as I could see. Social distance evident though and it seemed to all be pretty organised, but of course, once more flights re-start, more passengers will use the terminals, so it's not going to be possible to completely social distance at some point, never mind on a full plane!
I noticed everyone had masks on (apart from the gate agent), she had a screen in front of the computer at gate 52 but instead took our passports and boarding passes off us to check.

115 passengers on board the Ryanair flight, so around 60% full. Pretty good I thought and most passengers adhered to the rule of remaining seated until a toilet was available. Cabin crew announced the seat belt signs would remain on throughout the flight, but they would announce when it was safe to use the toilets and when they were locked again.

Good experaince all round in the "new normal". I fly back on Friday and just hope that journey goes as smooth as the outbound. I certainly won't hesitate to fly somewhere within a few hours away, not sure about further yet as the mask can be unconformable after a while.

Stay safe everyone and happy flying!

In response to my departure on Monday, I arrived back at 10.15 this morning from Carcassonne with Ryanair, flight between 70-75% full immigration was a bit disorganised as there was 1 large queue because most people hadn’t completed the online locator form, eventually those who had like myself, were called forward, a border office checked it against my passport and it was away to the e passport gates, with 9 now in operation!

No real issues and no big difference to the overall experience, just a shame to see lack of passengers and moving aircraft.

Car parks being nearly empty also a very strange look and feel at MAN!
I noticed most of the car parks on the 23R approach and by the fire service training area are out of use now? Weeds/vegetation has taken over, but aren’t these car parks being replaced with the new multi story across from T3?
 

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What about the supporters of EMA. They will not be happy at that comment.

Come on now. We're not in kindergarten here. Businesses operating in the same industry with overlapping catchment areas generally compete with each other for business. Nothing wrong with neighbouring airports doing this ... it's healthy. And it is a two-way process too. I'm sure that 'fans' of EMA would be perfectly happy with the notion of competing with MAN more robustly for passenger services.

Of course, the problem here is that MAG prefers to operate a planned duopoly between the two which limits choice and supresses innovation. MAN is way below the curve on flown freight; EMA could arguably do better on the passenger services front (pre-Covid, anyway).

I personally favour open competition between neighbouring airports and may the best proposition win the business.
 

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Come on now. We're not in kindergarten here. Businesses operating in the same industry with overlapping catchment areas generally compete with each other for business. Nothing wrong with neighbouring airports doing this ... it's healthy. And it is a two-way process too. I'm sure that 'fans' of EMA would be perfectly happy with the notion of competing with MAN more robustly for passenger services.

Of course, the problem here is that MAG prefers to operate a planned duopoly between the two which limits choice and supresses innovation. MAN is way below the curve on flown freight; EMA could arguably do better on the passenger services front (pre-Covid, anyway).

I personally favour open competition between neighbouring airports and may the best proposition win the business.
I'm sure the likes of Birmingham and Doncaster-Sheffield would also like a bigger slice of cargo however it won't happen for any of the three airports. EMA has the location and facilities non of the others can match, EMA could do better on the passenger front from the outside however I think the airport isn't doing that badly passenger ops, they seem happy rolling around in cargo every night in the Midlands.

EMA has had little luck like a lot of airports in recent years with BMI, BMI Regional, Flybe, Monarch and Thomas Cook all being a big part of the scenery considering that little lot and the lack of carriers its holding its own, passenger numbers are pretty stable. Like every airport EMA would like more traffic but whilst cargo ops continue to rise they won't worry to much.

I would much sooner see Manchester try and bounce back as strongly as possible pax wise from this Covid nightmare that has wrecked havoc on the world and the aviation industry and leave EMA to the cargo, new passenger services and airlines are what Manchester has been so good at over recent years and its the airports bread and butter would a few extra freight flights a week be much of a money maker.
 

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Come on now. We're not in kindergarten here. Businesses operating in the same industry with overlapping catchment areas generally compete with each other for business. Nothing wrong with neighbouring airports doing this ... it's healthy. And it is a two-way process too. I'm sure that 'fans' of EMA would be perfectly happy with the notion of competing with MAN more robustly for passenger services.

Of course, the problem here is that MAG prefers to operate a planned duopoly between the two which limits choice and supresses innovation. MAN is way below the curve on flown freight; EMA could arguably do better on the passenger services front (pre-Covid, anyway).

I personally favour open competition between neighbouring airports and may the best proposition win the business.

How can 2 airports with the same owner compete against each other?
 

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I'm sure the likes of Birmingham and Doncaster-Sheffield would also like a bigger slice of cargo however it won't happen for any of the three airports.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Doncaster has done remarkably well in pitching for cargo business. Both they and BHX compete for all business they can attract - and that is exactly how it should be. It is incumbent on the management to maximise the success of their operation across all markets in which they compete. This includes passenger, cargo and executive jet business.

EMA has the location and facilities non of the others can match

EMA's cargo facilities offer an outstanding proposition and the airport does very well accordingly. But your emphasis on 'location' is misplaced. Köln-Bonn has an excellent location, but it wouldn't be the delivery airport of choice for cargo intended for another region. You cannot presume that all cargo shipments are interchangeable and ubiquitous. A shipment destined for Leicester is likely best served by EMA. But one destined for Trafford Park would be better served via MAN. The best proposition for the customer must take account of where the shipment is actually needed.

I would much sooner see Manchester try and bounce back as strongly as possible pax wise

and leave EMA to the cargo,

I disagree. I would like to see MAN / BHX / EMA / DSA / LPL and all the others compete for business across all sectors in a free market and may the best proposition win. Competition is healthy and benefits the consumer.
 

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would a few extra freight flights a week be much of a money maker.

Well that depends on the individual contracts agreed with operators. But a region such as the NW would certainly benefit from MAN offering a full and comprehensive freight capability. The Northern Powerhouse initiative needs this.

How can 2 airports with the same owner compete against each other?

An apt question indeed. Is MAG engaging in anti-competitive behaviour re cargo which disadvantages businesses within the airports' respective catchments? If MAN and EMA are stitching up a market segment such as cargo, that could constitute grounds for a monopolies investigation. They might be best served by ensuring that the two airports compete openly and transparently with each other for business across all markets.

ADMIN NOTE: Apologies for splitting the reply into two parts. This was unintentional. Finger trouble!
 

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What are cargo loads like on the passenger flights out of MAN?

LHR handles almost 60% of air cargo in & out of the UK, and almost 5 times as much as EMA, the vast majority of which goes in passenger aircraft. Could MAN make better use of its existing passenger flights without the need to "poach" freight only flights from other airports.

EMA's cargo facilities offer an outstanding proposition and the airport does very well accordingly. But your emphasis on 'location' is misplaced. Köln-Bonn has an excellent location, but it wouldn't be the delivery airport of choice for cargo intended for another region. You cannot presume that all cargo shipments are interchangeable and ubiquitous. A shipment destined for Leicester is likely best served by EMA. But one destined for Trafford Park would be better served via MAN. The best proposition for the customer must take account of where the shipment is actually needed.

Freight-wise it comes down to infrastructure, available cargo capacity on aircraft and like passengers cost. I'd wager there's far more distribution centres within 1 hr of EMA than 1 hr of MAN.

Whereas passengers prefer to take a direct routing, freight often takes a step by step routing.

You're example of Cologne is an interesting one as the German situation matches the UK one. Frankfurt (vs Heathrow) handles the largest amount of freight, but then Cologne (vs East Midlands) handles the second largest amount. Besides the freight side, both CGN & EMA are smaller airports in their respective countries and neither are near to places that most international visitors travel to.

Look at the USA - their largest (dedicated) freight hubs are often found in second if not third tier cities.

Passengers are picky - they'd rather travel A to B, rather than via C & D. Freight isn't picky - although the freight is travelling A - B, because of limited freight capacity on that route, its actually quicker and cheaper to ship it via C. Once enough freight is travelling from A - B via wherever, a dedicated freight flight would start.
 

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MAN make better use of its existing passenger flights without the need to "poach" freight only flights from other airports.

The word "poach" is inappropriate in this context. It implies illegitimate behaviour. It is entirely legitimate to compete for business in a free market environment. Consumers benefit from healthy competition.

Passengers are picky - they'd rather travel A to B, rather than via C & D. Freight isn't picky

Freight is inanimate (livestock excepted!) so we can rest assured that it will never complain about a circuitous routing. But that doesn't mean it has followed the optimal path from the customer's perspective. We can't just presume "this will do" just because parcels don't complain. And do keep in mind that customers pay a premium for speed when selecting air cargo over marine shipping. Some deliveries are time-sensitive; some are perishable. The more streamlined the delivery route the better.

Note that the "it'll do" attitude has been called out at MAN already. The Hut Group has announced plans to set up it's own cargo airline as a direct response to the frustrations they have experienced in trying to export their wares by air from the Greater Manchester area in a timely manner. The current set-up is inadequate. And if THG identify this, it follows that other NW businesses must be experiencing similar challenges. That is bad for the region's economy.
 

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The word "poach" is inappropriate in this context. It implies illegitimate behaviour. It is entirely legitimate to compete for business in a free market environment. Consumers benefit from healthy competition.

I doubt anyone that isn't a MAN "fan" or "frequenter" would call it inappropriate, besides by putting poach in quotation marks it was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek remark.

Freight is inanimate (livestock excepted!) so we can rest assured that it will never complain about a circuitous routing. But that doesn't mean it has followed the optimal path from the customer's perspective. We can't just presume "this will do" just because parcels don't complain. And do keep in mind that customers pay a premium for speed when selecting air cargo over marine shipping. Some deliveries are time-sensitive; some are perishable. The more streamlined the delivery route the better.

If the product is needed quickly there are some direct flights for the freight to take. However in most cases next day delivery isn't 100% necessary and hence it takes the in-direct (but more efficient/cheaper for the shipper) route.

Note how you often are required to pay more for next day delivery vs standard shipping.
 

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I wouldn't be so sure about that. Doncaster has done remarkably well in pitching for cargo business. Both they and BHX compete for all business they can attract - and that is exactly how it should be. It is incumbent on the management to maximise the success of their operation across all markets in which they compete. This includes passenger, cargo and executive jet business.

EMA's cargo facilities offer an outstanding proposition and the airport does very well accordingly. But your emphasis on 'location' is misplaced. Köln-Bonn has an excellent location, but it wouldn't be the delivery airport of choice for cargo intended for another region. You cannot presume that all cargo shipments are interchangeable and ubiquitous. A shipment destined for Leicester is likely best served by EMA. But one destined for Trafford Park would be better served via MAN. The best proposition for the customer must take account of where the shipment is actually needed.

I disagree. I would like to see MAN / BHX / EMA / DSA / LPL and all the others compete for business across all sectors in a free market and may the best proposition win. Competition is healthy and benefits the consumer.

To be fair to BHX it does well in certain area's cargo wise the airport does have a number of cargo flights per day, DSA has found its pitch cargo wise however cargo flights at DSA still don't add up to one a day in normal times. We know not all airports are maximising operations over all markets maybe some don't want to though.

EMA may not be the best place for cargo going to the North West or other areas however that's how things are likely to stay in the main even if customers like it or not, DHL have plans to build a huge facility at SEGRO which surely must mean more expansion on the apron at EMA. Other services are expected to start over the coming months too.

Does anyone know how THG are progressing with the plan to start operations it will be interesting to see if it leads to bigger things when it gets off the ground.

Competition is great however surely it doesn't matter to MAG which airport has the freight and which has the most passengers as long as all three MAG airports are successful in there own right which they have been for a number of years, Manchester at present needs the passengers to come back when this is over MAG have two very successful freight operation elsewhere with EMA far better placed to serve a large area of the country more successfully than Manchester can
 
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