Air Traffic, ILS & Navigation Aids

[White Heather]

Indeed - lived in BiW for several years beneath the approach for 14 and climb out 32 and whilst I suppose any noise I heard was mitigated by the fact that I'm an aviation enthusiast it really wasn't that intrusive at all. The 'stopping conversations' comment is complete and utter rubbish to the point of untruth! There is an horrendous amount of house/flat building going on between BiW and Ilkley and soon it will be very difficult indeed to find a route that doesn't impact someone.

Yes, it's a huge posh development and I was stuck in traffic there today where the road is up to lay sewers. The biggest impact though if an early right turn after departure would be the western end of Otley on both sides of the river and the villages to the North of the river between Otley and Ilkley. Not a huge population unless you include sheep, but they'll still make a noise if they get overflying where previously there was none. An early left turn off 32 would be of no use as it would bring flights over Guiseley and the High Royds community. Far more population there (but less sheep).

 

[radar]

Reading that petition, the route that they are keen on (right turn-out North and then East of Otley) is designed to replace the current left turn-out LAMIX and DOPEK SIDs. There would still be a need to depart aircraft to the West via a NELSA replacement SID.

Not bad news for the residents of BIW and Menston, certainly, a right turn-out LAMIX/DOPEK would reduce the number of flights over their houses by about a third, but there would still be about two thirds going West.

From an ATC point of view, the right turn-out LAMIX/DOPEK would be a hugely positive development, deconflicting these departures from RWY32 arrivals, which they currently cross over with.

 

[oldendays]

I don't recognise the lady's voice on Tower this morning. I wonder if we have a newcomer ? If so, welcome!

 

[twevsmiff]

The tower is currently suffering interference on 120,305(120.3) in old money) so is util;ising 125.380(125.375) as a non-standard frequency.

 

[quik123]

The tower is currently suffering interference on 120,305(120.3) in old money) so is util;ising 125.380(125.375) as a non-standard frequency.

Strictly speaking, this is illegal. But if they can't sort out the interference issue they don't have much choice. Usual suspect is another aircraft with a stuck PTT.

 

[Aviador]

Strictly speaking, this is illegal. But if they can't sort out the interference issue they don't have much choice. Usual suspect is another aircraft with a stuck PTT.

Rather than strictly speaking illigal, is it not more a case of just using the authorised reserve frequency?

 

[quik123]

Rather than strictly speaking illigal, is it not more a case of just using the authorised reserve frequency?

There isn't an authorised reserve frequency. 125.380 is a Radar frequency and isn't licensed to be used as Tower. On a wider scale there simply aren't enough spare frequencies available to allocate an airport with a reserve.

 

[The Pole]

Noticed a couple of odd flight paths recently off 14 both on Amsterdam route. The turned left and flew around Leeds. And then right back onto normal path.
Are these new routings?

 

[EX9]

No changes have been made to the SIDs. The airspace change process is still ongoing.

 

[Snackbar]

News today https://www.airtrafficmanagement.ne...oy-altitude-angels-approval-services-platform

 

[Aviador]

Busyyyyy!!!!

How many aircraft have just been working Leeds Approach/radar

 

[Seasider]

There are 23 arrivals between 2 and 5pm.

 

[The Pole]

Mentioned before
K L M flight departing 14 turned left and flew around Leeds city centre.
Only every seen this airline do this.
Anyone know why?
Can't upload screen shots

 

[EX9]

Could have been weather avoiding as there were some fairly large showers around.

 

[Vzg94w]

There are 23 arrivals between 2 and 5pm.

Explains the complete lack of buses for passengers to disembark and no capacity for assistance passengers

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Explains the complete lack of buses for passengers to disembark and no capacity for assistance passengers

At peak arrival times the rate at which de-planing takes place is dictated by Border Force. There should be enough buses.

 

[Sputnik1]

At peak arrival times the rate at which de-planing takes place is dictated by Border Force. Their should be enough buses.

There are definitely occasions when the buses are all preoccupied. From what I could see they've been doing a pretty good job in peak times this weekend, more so than some winter days. Obviously better staffed

 

[The Pole]

Again mentioned here before about departures back in March April time. Ryanair to Bucharest this morning departed 14 and turned left after flying over horsforth then around leeds back on track. No weather or conflicting traffic on F R. I could still see it as it approached Doncaster.
Look on flight radar 630 departure this morning.
There must be some amendments to the departure SIDS certainly a waste of fuel!!!!!!

 

[EX9]

The SIDs have definitely not been changed. For whatever reason, Scottish Control or Leeds Radar have deviated the aircraft from the SID. It could one of many factors, including something initiated by the pilots.

 

[The Pole]

The SIDs have definitely not been changed. For whatever reason, Scottish Control or Leeds Radar have deviated the aircraft from the SID. It could one of many factors, including something initiated by the pilots.

Thanks for the info.
Strange that several flights including KLM have taken this route. Maybe not to wake the people living in Leeds City Centre