As for Ryanair not heard that one does it sit alongside the Amazon Air being close rumour?

We know Ryanair/Wizz at DSA together wouldn't/couldn't work so it's where next for the airport surely Ryanair would need to operate on some of the current Wizz routes.

What the DSA supporters would like to know is how Wizz were doing (the facts) and if they were making money and if those routes would work for another company the next problem is any airline will want two based A/C where are all those route's going to come from? but then where next for an already dosed down Eastern European network with Wizz in the present, do the airport write this sorry mess away and hope they can secure some of the lost pre-covid East European network that at one point stood at around 13-14 routes.
No idea. Heard from a couple of people who claim to be in the know - but with Ryanair deciding to put another aircraft back into LBA ahead of their post covid recovery I think it tells you all you need to know. Not a clue re. Amazon.

I don’t think you’ll ever get the facts as you want them, but if it was a financial success they wouldn’t be pulling out. They’ve obviously simply not secured enough forward bookings and reducing their planned fleet size at DSA has probably caused them to receive penalties from the airport.

Any company wanting to develop an airport in the way Peel appear to aspire to would need a huge long term financial incentive to offer a carrier. The market there really isn’t as large as they might like to believe.
 
Your last sentence sums it up perfectly.
I disagree slightly. The market is there but it is already taken up by business at dare I say it, Manchester. Unfortunately there is a reliance on clawback of passengers from the opposite side of the Pennines to enable Doncaster to compete. LBA and DSA are perfect examples of how difficult that task is.
 
The market at DSA isn't large however on some routes demand could certainly work for two airlines on the same route. Where the problem lies is that any airline being able to come in and fly at least two based aircraft out of the airport all day every day year round.

Any airline that could manage that would be some sort of magician.
 
I disagree slightly. The market is there but it is already taken up by business at dare I say it, Manchester. Unfortunately there is a reliance on clawback of passengers from the opposite side of the Pennines to enable Doncaster to compete. LBA and DSA are perfect examples of how difficult that task is.
I know what you mean, but I think it’s always been a bit of a catch-22. Manchester is a hard one to break, it offers choice, so appeals to a wider market, but at the same time if you were to try break that chain the risk is that the market becomes saturates and inevitably the flights go back to the relative safety of Manchester.

LBA does pretty well as it has a big wealthy catchment area on its doorstep, DSA would need to tap into that to succeed. For that deep pockets and lots of time is needed. Wizz U.K. offered something new, they had plans to make a huge presence at DSA after many years of success carving out a niche on the Eastern European routes, I find it a great shame that this has failed for whatever reason.
 
DSA will now see its smallest operation from Wizz in years from what was planned for 2022 and into the future, the beginning of a new bright era for DSA a real hope a corner was being turned well the airports future looks bleaker than ever as things stand.

At one time Wizz operated or planned to operate to Budapest, Chisinau, Debrecen, Kosice, Lublin, Poznan, Riga, Sofia, Suceava, Sofia and Timisoara all lost the likelihood of a return for at least Lublin, Poznan and Riga from the base closure highly unlikely at best. It appears that Wizz peaked at DSA in 2019 with its routes to its roots, it certainly wouldn't be a shock now if 3 years down the line Wizz are gone completely. Peel have completely failed at DSA like they did at Teesside luckily for Teesside Peel are gone DSA meanwhile will continue to struggle with Peel at the helm.
 
Of course it could be DSA have been negotiating with another carrier and Wizz found out about it. Luckily Tui's commitment to DSA seems very firm and this needs to be built upon. Having Tui is a big advantage.
 
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Of course it could be DSA have been negotiating with another carrier and Wizz found out about it. Luckily Tui's commitment to DSA seems very firm and this needs to be built upon. Having Tui is a big advantage.
Yes thank God TUI and the airport continue to work well together however TUI don't have much wriggle room left at DSA and it's getting a product to work alongside what TUI offer, it doesn't seem like this seasons loads to Cancun or Orlando are anything to write home about either at present.

With this breakdown in relations with Wizz anything could happen now Wizz don't need DSA but the airport certainly needs Wizz and the market they've always flown to. Ryanair wouldn't offer anything like Wizz do to that side of Europe. We all know that DSA hasn't got a huge market but it should be able to find a loco to run a small operation from the airport other small airports can manage it so why not DSA we know factors that don't help however how can say Bournemouth manage what DSA can't and have a loco working alongside TUI happily even taking into account the Manchester factor surely it should be possible. Again other smaller airports than Doncaster manage to attract at least one major European Hub to fly to DSA no again impossible to make just one route work. It seems virtually impossible to run the place as badly as Peel are.
 
DSA has a good catchment area and good rail and road links so I dont understand why it isnt doing better.
Maybe as you say its down to Peel but it seems to me they have been very supportive of the airport over a long period, unlike Teeside for example.

The long runway is a big advantage and ideal for long haul flights without payload restrictions. Also theres a good cargo set up so its really a case of potential being fully realised.

Lets hope DSA have a rabbit to pull out of the bag.
 
When John Prescott, the then Deputy Prime Minister, approved the planning application for the development of the airport following a public inquiry, in his decision he stated that there was no need for the airport, but that the development of the airport would have significant regeneration benefits for the area. He appears to have been proved correct in that DSA struggles to attract, and particularly retain, airline operators. However, Peel’s development of the property portfolio which the airport forms a part appears to be successful.

As others have alluded to, is it that Peel are not prepared to offer the level of long term financial incentives which it appears are necessary to secure the long term growth and prosperity of the airport.
 
When John Prescott, the then Deputy Prime Minister, approved the planning application for the development of the airport following a public inquiry, in his decision he stated that there was no need for the airport, but that the development of the airport would have significant regeneration benefits for the area. He appears to have been proved correct in that DSA struggles to attract, and particularly retain, airline operators. However, Peel’s development of the property portfolio which the airport forms a part appears to be successful.

As others have alluded to, is it that Peel are not prepared to offer the level of long term financial incentives which it appears are necessary to secure the long term growth and prosperity of the airport.
With ref to your last paragraph, not sure. They did sink a fairly large cost into the place when it opened, landing and nav aids just one example. However they appear to have always struggles to get a foot in the passenger market. TUI and Wizz (until the last few days) seemed pretty resilient, probably because they don’t have such a presence at EMA and LBA.

Obviously this discussion has been going on for the best part of 20 years! The original forecasts assumed that growth would be reversed at LBA and HUY in favour of DSA. Obviously in the case of LBA this hasn’t materialised, so we are where we are.
 
And I think that after all this time it is unlikely that anything will change in the short, medium or long term, whilst Peel are at the helm. My view, for what its worth, is that they are property developers and as such are quite happy with how things are progressing on that front. Whilst that is the case the airport is of secondary concern to them.
 
And I think that after all this time it is unlikely that anything will change in the short, medium or long term, whilst Peel are at the helm. My view, for what its worth, is that they are property developers and as such are quite happy with how things are progressing on that front. Whilst that is the case the airport is of secondary concern to them.
I agree with you entirely.
 
Let's be honest. Wizz struggled to fill the holiday routes, the catchment area is shared heavily with Jet2/Jet2holiday presence at both EMA/LBA and TUI have their market share for Yorkshire sown up and flying from DSA or funnel passengers through their Manchester hub.

DSA is not the airport, nor the catchment area, to start diluting yields and the market. LBA is stronger, at one point had 4 carriers on the PMI route alone, and therefore can sustain dilution of the market. Probably stimulate the market somewhat.

I personally feel for all involved with Wizz Air (crew wise) but I think this proves that DSA is a one airline airport. Don't get me wrong, Wizz Air do very successfully do, the Eastern European market and them routes. But when it comes to holiday routes clearly they cannot sustain them.

I'm waiting for Ryanair to rock up if I am honest. All they need to do is an Alicante year round, Palma, Malaga, Faro in Summer and Canaries in Winter. All can be done using aircraft based at those respective destinations.
 
Let's be honest. Wizz struggled to fill the holiday routes, the catchment area is shared heavily with Jet2/Jet2holiday presence at both EMA/LBA and TUI have their market share for Yorkshire sown up and flying from DSA or funnel passengers through their Manchester hub.

DSA is not the airport, nor the catchment area, to start diluting yields and the market. LBA is stronger, at one point had 4 carriers on the PMI route alone, and therefore can sustain dilution of the market. Probably stimulate the market somewhat.

I personally feel for all involved with Wizz Air (crew wise) but I think this proves that DSA is a one airline airport. Don't get me wrong, Wizz Air do very successfully do, the Eastern European market and them routes. But when it comes to holiday routes clearly they cannot sustain them.

I'm waiting for Ryanair to rock up if I am honest. All they need to do is an Alicante year round, Palma, Malaga, Faro in Summer and Canaries in Winter. All can be done using aircraft based at those respective destinations.
Ryanair won't touch DSA if they've been rejected last year especially flying such a meagre offering ano airlines coming anywhere near without a bases of 2-3 aircraft.
 
You say that; but they seem the only one's would, besides TUI, can fill those destinations no questions asked. In my opinion of course.

How are they doing up in Teeside?
 
Well in my view WIZZ are a complete disgrace. They’ve cut many routes recently from other airports. Not just that but peoples holidays and travel plans will be cancelled.
 
Well in my view WIZZ are a complete disgrace. They’ve cut many routes recently from other airports. Not just that but peoples holidays and travel plans will be cancelled.
You say that; but they seem the only one's would, besides TUI, can fill those destinations no questions asked. In my opinion of course.

How are they doing up in Teeside?
TUI and easyJet are doing exactly the same why just call out Wizz?

The problem is Sherburn no airline just wants one based unit at any airport we all know that, presently I think that's Wizz at Cardiff Jerry can probably confirm but it's not a long term business model. Realistically the only hope DSA had was that the Wizz UK operation worked with two based units when the second unit got cancelled earlier in the year the warning signs had already started I think most DSA supporters would of been pretty happy with with the four based TUI summer aircraft and two Wizz.
 

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