TUI and easyJet are doing exactly the same why just call out Wizz?
Sorry you have missed my point this is the Wizz thread and Wizz UK are pulling the base? What’s easyjet and TUI got to do with it?

Easyjet don’t operate out of DSA and TUI support DSA??- We are talking about Wizz pulling the DSA base not the cancellations across UK airport of other airlines.
 
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Sorry you have missed my point this is the Wizz thread and Wizz UK are pulling the base? What’s easyjet and TUI got to do with it?

Easyjet don’t operate out of DSA and TUI support
I'm generalizing with regards easyJet and TUI the industry is a mess, yeah Wizz have caused a stink pulling out of DSA and it's not nice for customers however TUI are certainly having problems at DSA also, huge delays on some flights due to one certain aircraft that's been dumped at DSA for the summer season.
 
This is a Wizz thread and we are sidetracking I know but many people just don't know how poorly DSA is being run some might not care we all know that DSA wasn't really needed but it's here now let's remember Peel have a history of airport failure's we just don't want or need another one.

It goes further than DSA many people are affected by Peel continuously falling short it's not just the airport people's lives are affected by it DSA could be better more people could be employed not just at the airport but locally along the whole chain more flights could operate with a competent owner. DSA is underperforming in virtually every department and this announcement by Wizz to leave whoever's at fault could destroy the airport.
 
Ryanair won't touch DSA if they've been rejected last year especially flying such a meagre offering ano airlines coming anywhere near without a bases of 2-3 aircraft.

I didn't know Ryanair and DSA were in discussions and therefore rejected.

As I stated, Ryanair don't have to actually open a base at DSA. All they have to do is operate a few routes, which they can fill, from DSA. Most of those I stated are routes which any airline from majority of the UK should be able to fill May-September. PMI particularly. It's the question however will they yield more from adding additional flights from EMA/LBA or yield more from new flight from DSA.

BOH is a Ryanair base with 1 aircraft - proof they can and do operate bases with 1 aircraft.
 
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I didn't know Ryanair and DSA were in discussions and therefore rejected.

As I stated, Ryanair don't have to actually open a base at DSA. All they have to do is operate a few routes, which they can fill, from DSA. Most of those I stated are routes which any airline from majority of the UK should be able to fill May-September. PMI particularly.

BOH is a Ryanair base with 1 aircraft - proof they can and do operate bases with 1 aircraft.
I didn't either it was mentioned by another poster. Amazon Air was another rumour from elsewhere.

Fair do re Ryanair at Bournemouth only time will tell if anyone comes in and effectively replaces what Wizz were doing with the one aircraft. In effect an airline could virtually operate the same network as Wizz were but I won't hold my breath.
 
I think Wizz Air was always going to struggle with doing leisure only from Doncaster. Yes they maybe a name that is banded about locally to Doncaster but other then that Yorkshire was a new market to enter - and they were entering the lions den. You've got Jet2 at EMA/LBA, you've got Ryanair at EMA/LBA and you've got TUI at DSA/EMA, whilst also having MAN, which all 3 have a very large presence at, the other side of pennines.

Unlike Ryanair which is a household name, Wizz is not. So offering leisure routes was, imo, always going to be a risk if they could fill it. Coupled with the industry wide problems, which DSA isn't suffering from I don't think, I'm not surprised they've pulled.
 
I didn't know Ryanair and DSA were in discussions and therefore rejected.

As I stated, Ryanair don't have to actually open a base at DSA. All they have to do is operate a few routes, which they can fill, from DSA. Most of those I stated are routes which any airline from majority of the UK should be able to fill May-September. PMI particularly. It's the question however will they yield more from adding additional flights from EMA/LBA or yield more from new flight from DSA.

BOH is a Ryanair base with 1 aircraft - proof they can and do operate bases with 1 aircraft.

Yield gets mentioned a lot when discussing the success of routes. I have a little bit of experience in revenue from years ago, typically you can tell how well a route will perform well in advance, Rate of Sale is key. The slower seats sell the lower the prices remain. This is a highly cut-throat business, selling a product that perishes as soon as the doors are closed and the flight pushes back. Profit margins are historically tight and this is only getting worse.

You can have all the financial incentives the airports might lay on, but if the flights aren’t selling well enough then someone has to pick up the slack - not great business sense. This is why simply looking at catchment areas and leakage in raw numbers just isn’t sufficient to gauge demand. If there were a sizeable chunk of passengers originating in Doncaster paying a premium to fly from Manchester then you may have an argument for them to be catered to, however if (as I suspect) the South Yorkshire and Lincolnshire folk are typically cost conscious then you’d have a more difficult job of convincing an operator to commit.

Humberside has a niche in KLM and Eastern as a lot of those travelling are paying for the convenience. It works. Similarly TUI have focussed their offering on Doncaster and can charge a premium. Works too. Not so easy when you add a low-cost operator with all the competition added to the mix.
 
I like this info @pug. Very interesting to see it from the other side - the revenue side and all that goes on behind the scenes when bringing about new routes or opening new bases.

I suspect that you are right re: South Yorkshire/Lincolnshire. They are happy to travel with TUI/Jet2 on their package holidays, some to regular destinations that they know so well, and will happily pay which ever gives the best price and value for money. And therefore the airport is, in reality, last choice - EMA or DSA are similar and LBA is a little bit further to travel. Ryanair won't ever struggle to fill an aircraft, as they are a well known airline, but Wizz Air evidently have been doing so. The catchment area of Doncaster clearly haven't heard of Wizz Air and therefore are a little dubious of what they offer and their service. Word of mouth is always good at also pushing sales.

Whilst there is evident leakage from this side of Yorkshire over to MAN, it's very clear there is, it takes the right carriers/airlines and product to lure people to fly form this side of the pennines. Something which TUI and Jet2 at Doncaster and Leeds are evidently doing correctly and something which Ryanair is also good at. Like I say however Ryanair could fill most aircraft from most places and would easily make summer sun routes work.

They took a gamble, thought it would work, clearly it didn't.
 
On price I was looking at the Canaries a few weeks back just too see what Wizz were charging. I can't remember the exact prices but they certainly weren't cheap. Totally disagree with the comment on the local area knowing Wizz they do it doesn't mean they would use them but everyone knows them.

I also think Wizz were the go to airline in this case the local public have seen the big two locos come and go before. DSA is far too expensive re TUI I've flown from the airport once since it opened probably done 12 holidays in that time I simply won't pay the ridiculous prices.

We don't know what goes on with the powers that be but easyJet are never mentioned re DSA with Peel owning Liverpool and DSA you'd hope that both airports would be sharing knowledge of what could potentially work at DSA for easyJet I'm not saying that it would go anywhere but apparently easyJet were doing ok years back when they pulled out again quickly after starting operations supposedly due to not basing planes at the airport and having to bring them in from elsewhere.
 

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