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I agree its just not on! Totally crazy how we have less frequency and seats than many smaller uk airports, we should be looking at at least 2x 737 ops and a emb daily but instead receive a mix of non klm livery 175 and 195s with poorer reliability! There is no consistency, if you want to sell your product stop swapping it for non klm metal!If it is true, Eastern is not great, which would be a major disappointment, and MAN all the while welcomes KLM's brand new A321neo…
I agree its just not on! Totally crazy how we have less frequency and seats than many smaller uk airports, we should be looking at at least 2x 737 ops and a emb daily but instead receive a mix of non klm livery 175 and 195s with poorer reliability! There is no consistency, if you want to sell your product stop swapping it for non klm metal!
At the moment, but they have been looking for a new niche (purpose?) for years now. This could be it.If it is true, Eastern is not great, which would be a major disappointment, and MAN all the while welcomes KLM's brand new A321neo…
B737s were scheduled before covid hit. If the likes of MAN are receiving A321s then unless there removing them from the fleet it frees up some 737s.they dont have enough 737s left in their fleet to operate your flights, thay are not going to take them from the likes of LHR, MAN, BHX, GLA etc to operate LBA flights.
This was nearly 5 years ago. Things change and move on so what was promising in 2019 will be all but forgotten about now.B737s were scheduled before covid hit. If the likes of MAN are receiving A321s then unless there removing them from the fleet it frees up some 737s.
Didn't WH comment after the ACC that the airport werent aware of any migration to Eastern?Well as things stand KLM City Hoppers LBA-AMS route is planned to be operated by its own metal and have a capacity increase next summer 2025. With the Embraer 190-E2’s appearing along with all other flights operated by the Embraer 190’s. I for one hope it stays this way.
God help Eastern Airways if the screw this deal up with KLM. Otherwise it could be the end for them.
I think we need to consider the wider aspects of this. KLM are not performing well financially. They may have mooted putting more capacity into LBA pre-covid but lots has changed since then. They are under pressure from Government in Netherlands over slot restrictions at AMS, they are struggling with crewing which has a long lead in time due training, they are having tech issues with their aircraft. So actually when they binned off KLM UK and incorporated everything into KLC it was probably the right operating environment to do so. Now, with all the issues both short and long term, running these routes probably isn’t fitting in their core business strategy.I just don’t get it. Using German Airways and Eastern at a time of Aircraft/pilot shortage made sense as a temporary measure but using Eastern permanently (in whatever guise) just doesn’t add up. The only reason I can think of is that it must work out cheaper given the cost savings KLM are looking for but how is a mystery to me.
It may be that by using a sub contractor the Eastern flights arent counted towards KLM's quota.I think we need to consider the wider aspects of this. KLM are not performing well financially. They may have mooted putting more capacity into LBA pre-covid but lots has changed since then. They are under pressure from Government in Netherlands over slot restrictions at AMS, they are struggling with crewing which has a long lead in time due training, they are having tech issues with their aircraft. So actually when they binned off KLM UK and incorporated everything into KLC it was probably the right operating environment to do so. Now, with all the issues both short and long term, running these routes probably isn’t fitting in their core business strategy.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Be very careful what you wish for. The fact that Eastern have stepped in will hopefully mean there aren’t route cut backs! Because the way things have been going that’s the only result I could have envisaged and that would be horrid for U.K. global connectivity since BA are happy to let people drive to LHR and there is no other airline in Europe operating such a comprehensive and hassle free hub and spoke network in such a short flying time from U.K.
I believe that the Dutch Government are trying to impose a cap on total number of flights and it will affect all airlines.It may be that by using a sub contractor the Eastern flights arent counted towards KLM's quota.
Im not sure how the quota will be structured, so I would say this could be a factor.I believe that the Dutch Government are trying to impose a cap on total number of flights and it will affect all airlines.
Yes, WH did say that. LBA management were specifically asked if Eastern were to replace KLM City hopper and they said not to their knowledge as neither KLM nor Eastern had.infiemed them of any intention to change.Didn't WH comment after the ACC that the airport werent aware of any migration to Eastern?
It’s all about prioritisation though, LBA will be competing with every other European airport that doesn’t currently have a larger aircraft employed on their AMS connection with KLM. Not suggesting LBA won’t be up there with the front runners because I haven’t got a clue, but realistically if they’re reducing their U.K. ops in-house then it would probably make more sense to shift the lot over to T3 and hopefully buy into T3 to provide some accountability.I think it is a fair point that @pug made though re better to have T3 op for KL if the alternative is no KL service at all, although I don't believe it would have come to that. Is it time to cut T3 a bit of slack and give them a chance to get this whole thing right, in whatever guise it takes in the longer term. And that is all still assuming we are going to have T3/KL ops at LBA. Could we just be in for something better from KL themselves once the new Terminal is fully open? Next summer does already appear to be the case and I suspect we are high up on the LF list of their regional routes
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