Random Stuff!

[GliderPilot]

Thanks Kevin! Looks like ATC were just having fun this morning then

 

[Ray Finkle]

Lots of interesting info on the link below, page 16 lists the holding patterns for GROVE, CEDAR, CHASE, MAPLE and OLIVE.

http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadb...FXUS/EN/AIP/AD/EG_AD_2_EGBB_en_2017-12-07.pdf

 

[58terminus]

Meanwhile, here's a brief list of liveries I love, liveries I think need updating, and recently changed liveries

Interesting how many replies reference airlines from the last century.Could this because of the variety of aircraft then that did the same job but had their own characteristics.This might have made the livery designers job easier.
Think BAC 1-11, DC 9 or Caravelle .
Trident, B727. TU154
B707,DC- 8
All recognisable as soon as they appeared in the distance.
These days is it an Airbus or 737? Don't know until it is virtually overhead and it is almost certain to be one or the other.

 

[58terminus]

The aircraft livery posts have made me think about what is the best looking aircraft ever built
For me it is the Lockheed Constellation.
Regrettably i cannot recall ever seeing one.Are there any still flying?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

The aircraft livery posts have made me think about what is the best looking aircraft ever built
For me it is the Lockheed Constellation.
Regrettably i cannot recall ever seeing one.Are there any still flying?

I can't answer the question you pose but, although I'm not greatly interested in different types for their looks, I do agree that the Constellation was (is?) a beautiful aircraft to look at. I can't think of any better.

 

[Kevin Farnell]

The aircraft livery posts have made me think about what is the best looking aircraft ever built
For me it is the Lockheed Constellation.
Regrettably i cannot recall ever seeing one.Are there any still flying?

Yes, 58terminus there are several still flying.
Strangely, I never liked the aircraft having only seen pictures of them. I thought of them as ‘odd banana shaped planes with ungainly long undercarriage’.
Then recently, I saw the Breitling L-1049 Super Constellation display at Duxford. My opinion totally changed. What a beautiful aircraft!

Here are a few of my photos from that day -

Kevin

 

[paul]

Great photo's mate

 

[rollo]

Interesting how many replies reference airlines from the last century.Could this because of the variety of aircraft then that did the same job but had their own characteristics.This might have made the livery designers job easier.
Think BAC 1-11, DC 9 or Caravelle .
Trident, B727. TU154
B707,DC- 8
All recognisable as soon as they appeared in the distance.
These days is it an Airbus or 737? Don't know until it is virtually overhead and it is almost certain to be one or the other.

You missed out the Convair Coronado alongside the 707/DC8 a real smokey beast, I remember them at Elmdon (Spantax).
Kevin's photos of the Connie are superb.
Best lookers for me Concord with its nose up and the Spitfire both just looked right in flight and of course the Spitfire was the right aircraft at the right time.

 

[Ianbutty]

Thanks for the snaps. I think no aircraft will match the Constellation for grace. Such a classic. Stunning. Miss those old timers. Got excited the other day as I heard the drone of what I thought was a DC3! Alas an antonov. I recall, back in the day, a DC3 going over Damsonwood everyday at high altitude. Judging by the noise it seemed to take forever. Never found out where it was from or going to.

One Good thing about modern aircraft they are relatively clean. The smog trail of dirty black and brown sooty smoke a BAC1-11 used to leave behind on take off. I am convinced some of it is still lingering over Elmdon.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Superb pictures, thanks for posting them

 

[58terminus]

Strangely, I never liked the aircraft having only seen pictures of them. I thought of them as ‘odd banana shaped planes with ungainly long undercarriage’.
Then recently, I saw the Breitling L-1049 Super Constellation display at Duxford. My opinion totally changed. What a beautiful aircraft!

Glad you were converted and thanks for the pictures

 

[58terminus]

You missed out the Convair Coronado alongside the 707/DC8 a real smokey beast,

I may have mentioned this before but i was brought up in Erdington and i remember that in the right conditions
on a quite Sunday you could hear the beast when it was taking off directly south.

 

[58terminus]

One Good thing about modern aircraft they are relatively clean. The smog trail of dirty black and brown sooty smoke a BAC1-11 used to leave behind on take off.

I actually miss the noise and dirt

 

[Kevin Farnell]

Glad you were converted and thanks for the pictures

Definitely converted! She’s an absolute beauty

Glad yourself and others like the photos.

Regards

Kevin

 

[Kevin Farnell]

I actually miss the noise and dirt

Me too!

I certainly have a prederence for the old first and second generation jetliners. And, likewise many of the colour schemes that they wore (probably because those were the aircraft that I saw when I first became interested).
One other type that I remember for leaving a smokey trail, was the Tu-134. I remember when the Aviogenex aircraft were on approach to BHX you could see a black smudge in the sky, even before you could pick out the aircraft with binoculars.
I also loved the noise (although I realise that the newer, quieter aircraft benefit the communities that live close to airports). The aircraft of today are almost inaudible compared to those of the '70's. The current supermarket delivery vans make far more noise.
I remember my Dad taking me to the Farnborough Airshow when I was about 10 years old. I watched an F-14 Tomcat take off on full afterburner. Shortly after take off, the pilot stood the aircraft on it's tail, so that it climbed vertically. The noise was awesome. I'd never experienced anything like it before. The ground was shaking and my chest reverberating to the roar. When it stopped, I could only think 'DO THAT AGAIN!'.
Back to the smoke, here is a photo of the short live Highland Express service from BHX, but in the background a smokey trail left by a departing One-Eleven.

Kevin

 

[Ianbutty]

A beauty Kevin.

Jumbo v 380....no contest. 1-11 v Embraer ERJ....no contest. 707 v 340....no contest.

Yep the older ones are the beauties of the runway.

 

[mullion]

I am trying to find the link but there is a 1 in 6 scale flyable RC connie AMAZING!
Heare we go

 

[rollo]

Kevin, that Highland 747 brings back memories also I remember an air display at Gaydon when a lightning took of flew flat and level then shot into a vertical climb I remember thinking how fantastic nothing will top that, then along came a Vulcan (not Spock) to prove me wrong.
It's probably an age thing but todays aircraft seem to lack personalty.

As a kid I used to live in Windsor Drive by the ice rink and you could here the whine of Viscounts as they started up and occasionally using the short runway would fly practically over our house with the under carriage still retracting the noise lobby would have a birthday these days, myself I thought it was brilliant and still do.

 

[58terminus]

I am trying to find the link but there is a 1 in 6 scale flyable RC connie AMAZING!
Heare we go

And there you have it.A beautiful aircraft and a simple unfussy but elegant livery all in one.I rest my case.

 

[Elmdon80slad]

Me too!

I certainly have a prederence for the old first and second generation jetliners. And, likewise many of the colour schemes that they wore (probably because those were the aircraft that I saw when I first became interested).
One other type that I remember for leaving a smokey trail, was the Tu-134. I remember when the Aviogenex aircraft were on approach to BHX you could see a black smudge in the sky, even before you could pick out the aircraft with binoculars.
I also loved the noise (although I realise that the newer, quieter aircraft benefit the communities that live close to airports). The aircraft of today are almost inaudible compared to those of the '70's. The current supermarket delivery vans make far more noise.
I remember my Dad taking me to the Farnborough Airshow when I was about 10 years old. I watched an F-14 Tomcat take off on full afterburner. Shortly after take off, the pilot stood the aircraft on it's tail, so that it climbed vertically. The noise was awesome. I'd never experienced anything like it before. The ground was shaking and my chest reverberating to the roar. When it stopped, I could only think 'DO THAT AGAIN!'.
Back to the smoke, here is a photo of the short live Highland Express service from BHX, but in the background a smokey trail left by a departing One-Eleven.

Kevin

I remember her well, when I worked at the airport we used to be ground ops for Highland Express, one day after taking the pax off her, she was due to position up to Glasgow empty, and I was offered to fly up there in her just with flight crew, but would have had to get a flight back to BHX when available, But I couldn't do it.

E.