Emirates

[IanFarquharson]

BHX management are well aware and disappointed the am flight has been axed so there is no reason why they are holding back telling you, hopefully they wont try to ship you off to MAN / LHR !

 

[JF57]

i think its probably more a point of northing being formally announced or finalised... once that is the case, passengers will be informed!

Hard to see what can be more finalised than moving two confirmed bookings for two people from the morning to lunchtime flights on two separate dates in September.

Just disappointing if it was not for this group I would have probably not checked the booking on the Emirate's website and through their app. With no email from Emirates I would have still been in the dark as of today when flights were changed on Thursday.

As I mentioned We got an email straight away from Monarch (and a text as well) when they cancelled a flight.

Which airline would most expect to perform better?

 

[IanFarquharson]

JF57 keep the group informed on when EK notify you

 

[JF57]

i think its probably more a point of northing being formally announced or finalised... once that is the case, passengers will be informed!

Hard to see what can be more finalised than moving two confirmed bookings for two people from the morning to lunchtime flights on two separate dates in September.

Just disappointing if it was not for this group I would have probably not checked the booking on the Emirate's website and through their app. With no email from Emirates I would have still been in the dark as of today when flights were changed on Thursday.

As I mentioned We got an email straight away from Monarch (and a text as well) when they cancelled a flight.

Which airline would most expect to perform better?

JF57 keep the group informed on when EK notify you

Will do. We have swapped the outbound flight from lunchtime to the evening before through the travel agent at no cost due to the change.

I am intending to ask Emirates for lounge access for the longer transit on the return through Dubai but will wait a few days to see if they do tell us anything before I ring.

 

[Kevin Farnell]

Are you hinting that EK39/40 will be operated by A380?

I'm not so sure that there would be 'plenty of room', if both services were operated by A380.
The CAA figures for Jan and Feb 2017 (2 x 777 and 1 x A380 daily), give 68307 and 67742 pax respectively.

If these pax had been on a 2 x daily A380 operation (with 31 days in Jan and 28 days in Feb), the available unsold seats would have been -

Jan 17

615 x 4 x 31 = 76260 seats available

68307 seats sold

68307/76260 = 89.6 %

89.6% of 615 = 550.9 (say 551)

615-551 = 64 empty seats per flight

Feb 17

615 x 4 x 28 = 68880 seats available

67742 seats sold

67742/68880= 98.4%

98.4% of 615 = 602.7 (say 603)

615-603 = 12 empty seats per flight

Kevin

A further study, if Jan and Feb 17 had been operated by 1 x A380 and 1 x 777-300 (assuming all flights are high density aircraft), then the following figures apply -

Jan 17

(615 x 2 x 31) + (427 x 2 x 31) = 64604 seats available - an average of (615 + 427)/2 = 521 seats per flight

68307 seats sold

68307/64604 = 105.73%

1.0573 x 521 = 550.85 (say 551)

551 - 521 = 30 seats overbooked per flight

Feb 17

(615 x 2 x 28) + (427 x 2 x 28) = 58352 seats available - an average of (615 + 427)/2 = 521 seats per flight

67742 seats sold

67742/58352 = 116.09%

1.1609 x 521 = 604.83 (say 605)

605 - 521 = 84 seats overbooked per flight

Kevin

 

[big vern]

I would imagine that there is some news in the pipeline for September especially jets with Trent engines.

 

[hay677]

Wasn't there a discussion a while ago about the significantly lower cargo capacity of A380 compared to 777W. If so, replacing the A380 + 2X 777 operating now by 2X A380 seems a huge drop in cargo. Does anyone know if this really would be a factor in Emirates plans?

 

[CL44]

I blooming well hope not! Emirates know exactly how much freight counts towards a flight being profitable (or not). Whilst each seat unsold is lost margin (profit call it what you will) each pallet position underneath the passengers that does not have bags loaded will have cargo of one sort or another. Dubai plan out the load charts and know exactly what is available to load on each of their flights (network wide) so there is no excuse for empty cargo space on board any of their flights (obviously there are exceptions eg extra fuel etc which should not be an issue here at BHX for such a short flight as BHX-DXB). Self-loading cargo has the option of which flight to take and book accordingly. As a Forwarder I use whichever flight is offered due to the space available to me. There are known "heavy" days which you would try to avoid just the same as there are other flights which are known to be wide open to be used. It is all a case of judging what flight to ask for against what you are offered on the day of booking the shipment. Getting back to the subject to hand the A380 does have a reduction in capacity for freight (quite a chunky one at that). I would much prefer to see 1 x A380 and 1 x B773 stay on the route ex BHX for freight if nothing else. I know this will be unpopular with some people who hope for a 2nd A380 but on a practical scale of things I think EK would have more chance of decent returns with this configuration of flights than 2 x A380's.

 

[Coathanger16]

I'm by no means an expert on cargo, but I'm not sure how much it would actually affect Emirates decisions for BHX. Does anyone know, across the UK airports they fly to, how much of the cargo capacity Emirates has it uses?

I only ask as from looking at the Emirates Skycargo website - which lists how much cargo each aircraft can carry in addition to passengers - capacity across the UK is currently (all are outbound total capacities, assuming cargo capacities of A380: 8 tonnes, B777: 23 tonnes http://www.skycargo.com/english/about-us/our-fleet/?plane=1):

BHX - 54 tonnes per day
LHR - 48 tonnes per day
GLA - 46 tonnes per day
LGW - 24 tonnes per day
MAN - 24 tonnes per day
NCL - 23 tonnes per day

Quite startling to think that BHX actually has more cargo capacity than Heathrow, and also more than Gatwick and Manchester combined.

Cutting the morning flights will reduce the cargo capacity at BHX by 43% to 31 tonnes per day, whilst having both flights operated by A380's will cut cargo capacity by 70% from present to just 16 tonnes per day - would this be a problem? Would Emirates get a better return from passengers or cargo?

As has been mentioned before, 1 A380 and 1 B773 per day won't provide enough capacity for how many passengers Emirates have been carrying recently. However, as 2 A380's per day may not provide enough cargo capacity, may we see the lunchtime flights being operated by a mix of A380's & B773 - say 3x A380's and 4x B773 per week?

Remember Manchester progressively went from 3x B773 flights per day to 3x A380 flights per day - has that had any negative impacts on cargo ops from Manchester?

 

[CL44]

Please bear in mind that you are working on maximum figures. It is not unusual for a PMC to be loaded with less than the max weight especially if you have a shipment that is charged on volume and not the gross weight. EK will still maximise their revenue by charging for the higher figure but the weight in itself is not there. It is very rare for every ULD to be loaded to its maximum all up weight. Please also bear in mind that LHR have twice weekly freighters using either 74f or 77f flights. Going from memory here but 77f = 110 tonnes with 74f giving 120 tonnes of capacity. Obviously no self loading cargo so no baggage requirement. Certain cargo has to travel on freighters due to either size or hazard. Various haxards can travel on passenger flights as well but there are limits as to what can and cannot be shipped on these flights. Putting 2 x A380 flights into BHX would certainly not do any favours to the freight forwarding community.

 

[Barry Beeth]

77F as well then?

 

[CL44]

Only so many of them flying In EK colours. If memory serves me the 74fs are due to be returned shortly which leaves them lighter than ever for main deck capacity. Even LHR only has 2 freighter flights so can BHX hope to snag one a week on a regular basis? Who knows but I won't put money on it.

 

[123]

Wonder how much the currency moves since the referendum played into Emirates recent decision.
The pound is approx 20% lower against the dollar since the referendum this could affect them as they book their profits in dollars. In other words a ticket sold for £1000 was worth approx $1500 it is now worth $1280

 

[IanFarquharson]

17th May EK 77F in BHX !

 

[Brum X]

17th May EK 77F in BHX !

Great news, anybody know the reason for this visit ?

I am now seeing images of a 2 daily A380 and a 4 weekly 777F operation. I am dreaming of course

 

[IanFarquharson]

Jaguar Land Rover to USA
Maybe more to follow

 

[58terminus]

Great news, anybody know the reason for this visit ?

I am now seeing images of a 2 daily A380 and a 4 weekly 777F operation. I am dreaming of course

Does BHX have the facilities for a 4 weekly 777F operation? By that i mean warehousing not aircraft handling.
The freight area still seems rather small.Maybe CL44 might have a view.

 

[Brum X]

Does BHX have the facilities for a 4 weekly 777F operation? By that i mean warehousing not aircraft handling.
The freight area still seems rather small.Maybe CL44 might have a view.

Obviously this is just for discussion as Emirates are not launching a x4 weekly 777F service but a great conversation starter.

 

[davecleaver777]

A good time to prove we can handle one and hope it paves the way for something in the future.

 

[58terminus]

Obviously this is just for discussion as Emirates are not launching a x4 weekly 777F service but a great conversation starter.

And it worked.I didn't think for a minute that they were but it has been brought up a number of times and i am genuinely interested if it is feasible with the current facilities. My first instinct is no.