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Jarvo

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I imagine any subsidy required from the Welsh gov would be huge. So few passengers getting on the service in Cardiff or Newport would continue traveling on to Scotland. Especially when, appropriately for F4A, far quicker and cheaper flights exist already.
The majority of passengers would be for intermediate stops, for which there are already adequate connections.

The only benefit I could see from a CDF- Scotland route would be the 'prestige' of having such a distant destination on the departure boards.
 

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I imagine any subsidy required from the Welsh gov would be huge.
Especially if it was to be s sleeper service. I'm sure I read somewhere that both the UK and Scottish governments gave the Caledonian sleeper £100 million for new trains. Thinking about it even if the WG wanted to any subsidy of a service like that would probably cause a political hurricane with Transport for Wales not exactly providing a stellar service at the moment!
 

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I travelled a couple of times in the very early sixties on special rugby excursions for the six nations games, direct from the Rhondda valley to Edinburgh, and caught a sleeper train from Scotland to South Wales on one occasion, but had to change at Birmingham for a train to Cardiff.
 

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I see British airways are to start flights direct to Portland this year. Depends on price. I thought of you with this one Jerry as that's the airport you fly into if I remember correctly.
 

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I see British airways are to start flights direct to Portland this year. Depends on price. I thought of you with this one Jerry as that's the airport you fly into if I remember correctly.
Yes I posted that on the Heathrow forum a few weeks ago. Starts 1st June. May well be the option I choose this year!
On another note it does show how Portland Airport has gained from its $3.5 million payment to keep Delta operating Tokyo and Amsterdam. Since then it's attracted Heathrow with Delta and now British Airways and Keflavik with Icelandair and re-attracted Frankfurt with Condor and it did have Mexico city with Aeromexico but that has now been dropped. I'd expect Paris CDG to be added eventually.
 

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On Wednesday Cardiff council released it's transport plans to cut pollution and congestion in the city. As well as what is now being dubbed 'the Valleys tax' which is a £2 proposed congestion charge for the city it also includes plans for a crossrail tram-train line, a circle tram-train line, improved bus services including a new cross city service linked to the metro including a bus loop, new bus links to places like Pontypridd, Penarth and Newport. Also the new mainline station at Cardiff Parkway in St Mellons has been included. There is also plans to build a fully segregated cycle network across the city and a city centre loop and expand Netbike to 2000 bikes.
Although none of this effects Cardiff Airport directly hopefully improved public transport should make Cardiff a much more desirable city break destinations for tourists which could help with route sustainability especially city routes at the airport and for the city to bid for things like the FIFA World cup.
 

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Just booked Air Europa Barcelona to PMI on their 738, for £24 with seat selection. The whole day trip with the other 2 Ryanair flights CWL-BCN and PMI-BRS come to £71 including seat selection. Crazy value considering my original plan would've cost me 3 times as much with Lufthansa and KLM!
 

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Finally booked a flight with Jet2. Amsterdam to Leeds Bradford on the 737 300 at the end of May. Hopefully i'll get to fly with Jet2 from Cardiff one day! Also booked last week Aer Lingus regional into Bristol from Dublin for April looking forward to seeing what the difference is between the Q400 and ATR is, just still got to book my outward bound flight with Flybe from Cardiff for that day. So from the end of the month onwards i should have plenty of footage and photos to share not just from Cardiff!
 

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Totally agree. Estimates have put the cost at 1.4 bln... Which means in the UK, by the time it's complete it'll be over 2bln. I honestly can't see the logic behind spending such a vast sum on something like that when models from all over the world show that when a new road is built it just encourages an increase in traffic. Within a decade the road would be congested again.
Far more beneficial would be a 1.4bln investment in rail. Electrifying to Swansea for potentially 300m, building new stations and even new track in the Newport area. Cleaner, more accessible and far more tourism friendly.
Building the road would be nothing more than a short term illogical political statement. Considering the cost could be 2-3x the cost of the south Wales metro, it's the height of folly.
 

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On a slightly different note, in a few years it's going to be a bus to Barry from the airport and an upwards of 4 hourly service on one of these trains to Cardiff. Definitely a huge improvement and less of an embarrassment when incoming tourists arrive than current arrangements. Public transport infrastructure almost always has a much bigger impact than building a new road.
 

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Far more beneficial would be a 1.4bln investment in rail.
Wales as a whole needs investment in public transport far more than a 14 mile stretch of motorway. The country is a generation behind large parts of the UK.

One of the gutting things about HS2 from a Welsh perspective is that it'll contribute £5 billion and get virtually nothing back from it. That £5 billion would be transformative if spent in Wales.

Although the UK government have now said that there will be no reinstatement of the tolls I doubt there is anything that could stop the Welsh government instituting a congestion charge for the M4.
 
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