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And there are plenty of small nations in the world who are not doing well. Not sure this is really an argument for or against independence.
 
KARFA said:
And there are plenty of small nations in the world who are not doing well. Not sure this is really an argument for or against independence.
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And there are plenty that are doing well as well.
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Jonathan said:
Welsh independence would be a total disaster.
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Is it a disaster for the 195 countries in the world that are independent countries?
And what's the alternatives for Wales as a country?
The report also lists further devolution which would depend on Westminster and a federal UK again something that would depend on Westminster.
Haven't read the full report but the current constitutional status quo is hardly a success for Wales either.
 
Jerry said:
And there are plenty that are doing well as well.
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Yes, but to say there are countries the size of Wales doing well is no more an argument for independence than saying there are countries the size of Wales doing poorly is an argument against independence. It really is a complete dead end of a point for either side.
 
KARFA said:
Yes, but to say there are countries the size of Wales doing well is no more an argument for independence than saying there are countries the size of Wales doing poorly is an argument against independence. It really is a complete dead end of a point for either side.
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It's just facts. Also describe what is doing well when it comes to a country and what's doing poorly?
Earlier this week Ireland marked a century since they gained independence from the UK with the creation of the Irish Free State. Finland marked 105 years of independence from Russia. Both small countries formerly under the rule of their larger neighbour and I'm sure someone could find arguments either way too say whether those countries are doing well or not from independence. Yet good or bad the people of both countries aren't going to willingly give up their independence.
 
I don't think I am arguing with you.

Let me put it more simply, size of country is irrelevant, and you can find examples of successful and not successful large and small countries. It isn't an argument for or against independence.
 
Jerry said:
Earlier this week Ireland marked a century since they gained independence from the UK with the creation of the Irish Free State.
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But, the Republic of Ireland is no longer independent. They have sold their soul to the unelected dictatorship that is the EU. They cannot make any decisions for themself. They have to bow to EU law. The Republic of Ireland's biggest trading partner is the UK (by a long way). As such the best thing that the Republic of Ireland could do, is leave the EU and sign a trading agreement with the UK. (beneficial to each nation) That way, they regain their true independence and can trade unhindered by EU rules.

Kevin
 
Kevin Farnell said:
But, the Republic of Ireland is no longer independent. They have sold their soul to the unelected dictatorship that is the EU. They cannot make any decisions for themself. They have to bow to EU law. The Republic of Ireland's biggest trading partner is the UK (by a long way). As such the best thing that the Republic of Ireland could do, is leave the EU and sign a trading agreement with the UK. (beneficial to each nation) That way, they regain their true independence and can trade unhindered by EU rules.

Kevin
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The RoI has done superbly as a member of the EU and continues to grow. It is fully independent, sovereign and it is not hindered by EU rules and takes full advantage of the Single Market. It trades very well with the rest of the world and it’s exports to the U.K. have increased. Why would the RoI want to leave the EU? Look at the trade and employment problems the U.K. has since leaving the EU and the single market, why would any nation want to replicate that?
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KARFA said:
Yes, but to say there are countries the size of Wales doing well is no more an argument for independence than saying there are countries the size of Wales doing poorly is an argument against independence. It really is a complete dead end of a point for either side.
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The size of Wales has always been used in the anti-independence argument.
 
Kevin Farnell said:
The Republic of Ireland's biggest trading partner is the UK (by a long way).
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Not true. They're a big trading partner but the USA and the EU as a block are much bigger.

Ireland's exports 2021 by country
Top export destinations of commodities from Ireland in 2021:

USA with a share of 31% (62 billion US$)
United Kingdom with a share of 10.9% (21 billion US$)
Germany with a share of 10.7% (21 billion US$)
Belgium with a share of 8.16% (16 billion US$)
China with a share of 6.75% (13.2 billion US$)
Netherlands with a share of 5.66% (11.1 billion US$)
France with a share of 3.22% (6.32 billion US$)
Italy with a share of 2.63% (5.16 billion US$)
Switzerland with a share of 1.69% (3.32 billion US$)
Japan with a share of 1.63% (3.21 billion US$)

Ireland's imports 2021 by country
Top trading partners (import sources) of Ireland in 2021:

United Kingdom with a share of 18.7% (23 billion US$)
USA with a share of 17.4% (21 billion US$)
France with a share of 9.93% (12.2 billion US$)
China with a share of 8.14% (9.99 billion US$)
Germany with a share of 7.03% (8.63 billion US$)
Switzerland with a share of 4.95% (6.08 billion US$)
Netherlands with a share of 4.33% (5.32 billion US$)
Israel with a share of 2.34% (2.88 billion US$)
Belgium with a share of 2.14% (2.62 billion US$)
Italy with a share of 2.11% (2.59 billion US$)

As for the leaving the EU the Irish people don't want that as they support EU membership overwhelmingly.
As for Ireland not being an independent country as it's of the EU that's not true either as Ireland is a member of the UN as is every member of the EU. And as shown by Brexit it could leave the EU without the EU permission.
Ireland has developed into a European country and I don't see it wanting to go backwards any time soon.
 
Kevin Farnell said:
But, the Republic of Ireland is no longer independent. They have sold their soul to the unelected dictatorship that is the EU. They cannot make any decisions for themself. They have to bow to EU law. The Republic of Ireland's biggest trading partner is the UK (by a long way). As such the best thing that the Republic of Ireland could do, is leave the EU and sign a trading agreement with the UK. (beneficial to each nation) That way, they regain their true independence and can trade unhindered by EU rules.

Kevin
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Absolute rubbish. The Republic of Ireland is only as strong as it is now because of EU membership. Being a member of a trading bloc is fundamental to being placed in a globalised world. Look at UK exports and growth since leaving. You can’t spin that.
 
Pontyboy said:
Absolute rubbish. The Republic of Ireland is only as strong as it is now because of EU membership. Being a member of a trading bloc is fundamental to being placed in a globalised world. Look at UK exports and growth since leaving. You can’t spin that.
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Ironically as well Brexit seems to have given them a more prominent voice in the EU and accelerated the expansion of direct sea routes for freight from Ireland too the EU. Ireland as a country does have it's problems but no longer being part of the UK, independent and an EU member aren't part of those problems.
 
Plans for £300m 'world-class leisure resort' including ski slope, water park and hotels in Wales will go in this month
www.walesonline.co.uk

Plans for 'world-class leisure resort' in Wales will go in this month

The resort called Rhydycar West would be built in Merthyr Tydfil is hoped to create around 1600 jobs in the construction phase, and around 500 employment opportunities once operational
www.walesonline.co.uk www.walesonline.co.uk
 
The 11 projects in Wales that'll receive money from the UK Levelling up fund

£50m for a new rail line between Cardiff Bay and Cardiff Central Station
£9m for a new engineering campus for 600 young people in Blaenau Gwent
£18.6m to create a cycle route between Llandudno Junction and Betws y Coed in Conwy county
£18m to refurbish the Grand Pavilion in Porthcawl
£20m to build a leisure centre in Caerphilly, including a gym and swimming pool
£20m to restore and regenerate three industry heritage sites in the lower Swansea Valley including Morfa Copperworks and Swansea Museum
£18.8m to upgrade walking and cycling routes for the National Slate Museum and the Neuadd Ogwen arts centre in Gwynedd
£17m for new walkways and cycle paths in Holyhead to help people explore St Cybi's Church and the Roman Fort
£11m to restore historic monuments in Ruthin, including St Peter's Church and the town square
£17.8m to restore the historic estate in the Vale of Neath and build new walkways and cycle paths
£7.6m for the Pontypool Cultural Hub project to "transform derelict buildings into a thriving cultural centre" including a new restaurant
www.bbc.co.uk

Levelling up: Projects across Wales share £208m in funding

There is also money for an engineering campus and a Llandudno Junction to Betws y Coed bike route.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Jarvo said:
Flybe 2.0 in to administration. Cardiff dodged an absolute bullet by not dealing with them again! At least there's one less negative CWL story in the press this morning
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Yes luckily the airport isn't impacted this time!
 
Then the Welsh Government announce this afternoon the cancellation of the majority of major road projects in Wales, how do they expect new firms to invest in Wales if they do not have modern roads to move their goods for export or any other reason, or attract tourism for that matter.
 
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