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It's all rather odd. Where i'm looking on a Timetable system, the IBZ and FLR flights are greyed out and are not on sale on the BA website either. The AGP flight has moved later in the afternoon too meaning the aircraft does seem to now operate BRS-PMI-BRS-AGP-BRS. This led me to think that IBZ (and FLR) must have been shelved for some reason... but then I found that the BHX-PMI flights are on sale on the BA website, but the return is not on sale and this flight greyed out on the timetable system.
I can only assume a glitch or modification to the schedule is in process!
 

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It's all rather odd. Where i'm looking on a Timetable system, the IBZ and FLR flights are greyed out and are not on sale on the BA website either. The AGP flight has moved later in the afternoon too meaning the aircraft does seem to now operate BRS-PMI-BRS-AGP-BRS. This led me to think that IBZ (and FLR) must have been shelved for some reason... but then I found that the BHX-PMI flights are on sale on the BA website, but the return is not on sale and this flight greyed out on the timetable system.
I can only assume a glitch or modification to the schedule is in process!
I've just tried test bookings for Florence in May, June and July on the BA website and they come up as available to book, but there are no flights to Ibiza in July (according to the same booking website), even though the BA web timetable says there are.
 
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This afternoon I booked BRS - FLR for September one way. Hopefully BA will not pull out as we're not intending to stay for a full week so will return by another carrier.
 

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This afternoon I booked BRS - FLR for September one way. Hopefully BA will not pull out as we're not intending to stay for a full week so will return by another carrier.
I certainly hope that FLR stays.

BHX is interesting. Last summer they had a similar set-up to BRS with the same destinations at the same frequencies. This summer IBZ has been dropped (it was known quite a while ago) but PMI will operate 2 x weekly. Like the second BRS-AGP this summer BHX-PMI is really a revenue-earning positioning flight: in during the early hours of Saturdays and back out to PMI on Sunday mornings.

On Saturdays it will operate rotations to FLR, PMI and AGP from BHX. If BRS-IBZ is to be dropped from July it will then have the same number of weekly rotations as BHX and the same destinations. The only difference is that BRS-FLR will be operated by a second aircraft flown in and out of BRS. Had BRS-IBZ been dropped in advance of the season they could have adopted a similar pattern to BHX with the 'based' aircraft operating the Saturday rotations to FLR, PMI and AGP.
 

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The weird thing about all this is that it does operate (ibz) till the end of June and it remains in the timetable section. Also a press release had just been released ( with Concorde behind) announcing the routes plus an extra Palma. So I can only think there's tinkering to be done yet ?
 

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BA had said to be very impressed with BRS, more so than BHX route performance. BHX had poor timings last year. Along with the press statements about regional flying. FLR was one of the best performing last summer. I get the impression there's some operational changes happening with the timings but not necessarily dropping of routes. Hopefully that' the case and it' just been very poorly executed.
 

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I note that the Saturday Malaga inbound flight lands at 02.38 flt no BA7340. This aircraft does PMI with a 06.00 departure and PMI lands back in BRS at11.35.
This aircraft does the return flight to Malaga at 12.45 flt number BA7021. the out bound Malaga flt is good times,but the inbound Malaga with a landing time of 02.38 is not good times.
 

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I note that the Saturday Malaga inbound flight lands at 02.38 flt no BA7340. This aircraft does PMI with a 06.00 departure and PMI lands back in BRS at11.35.
This aircraft does the return flight to Malaga at 12.45 flt number BA7021. the out bound Malaga flt is good times,but the inbound Malaga with a landing time of 02.38 is not good times.
The E190 positions in from Malaga effectively as a revenue-earning flight arriving at 0245 on Saturdays. It then does three return flights from BRS during Saturday: Palma, Malaga (out 1245, back 1900) and Ibiza. At 0625 on Sundays it departs for Malaga again effectively as a revenue earning positioning flight. The Florence is operated by an E170 that arrives around lunchtime on Saturdays then returns to Florence with the outbound passengers.

However, from July the Ibiza rotation appears to have been dropped.
 

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Several posts are appearing on social
Media confirming that Ibiza has been cancelled from July onwards with people complaining of being offered returns to London city or stansted . Given that press release etc kind of makes a mockery.
 

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Several posts are appearing on social
Media confirming that Ibiza has been cancelled from July onwards with people complaining of being offered returns to London city or stansted . Given that press release etc kind of makes a mockery.
I know you can never be one hundred per cent certain that a flight will operate when you book it some months in advance, but this must be one of the quickest cancellations on record given that the press release was only issued on 10 May. I suppose they will say the press release is strictly accurate in that Ibiza (mentioned in the press release along with the other destinations) has operated in 2018 and will do so until the end of June.

BHX had its IBZ cancelled sometime in the winter. It's a pity they didn't do the same with BRS given the inconvenience to some travellers, which shows that the route was originally intended to operate right through the summer.

If BACF return in summer 19 some people might be reluctant to book on the other routes in case one of them is pulled in mid season.
 

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Been reported on dried plum IBZ been dropped from 30th june. Now confirmed but no reason given.
The poster on the DP is a frequent correspondent on airline frequencies, including BACF. I don't know if he has any company background or inside knowledge.

He says the route was the worst performing of the four IBZ routes last summer and this year forward bookings are down on last summer. If that's the case why did they put BRS-IBZ on sale for this summer, operate it for a couple of months then axe it?

BHX-IBZ which, if the DP poster is correct, fared better than BRS last summer, yet it was not put on sale at all for summer 18. Seems a very odd situation. One the face of it BRS-IBZ did all right last summer (why bring it back otherwise?) but for whatever reason bookings this year are down so they decided to drop the route in mid season.

One reason might be easyJet increasing to 4 x weekly this summer which with TUI (4 x weekly), Ryanair (3 x weekly) and Thomas Coom (1 x weekly) might have taken some of BACF's share.
 

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Summer 2019

BA booking engine shows Malaga, Palma and Florence bookable up to June when the rolling 12-month booking period currently ends. Frequencies and days are as this summer with Malaga 2 x weekly and the other two 1 x weekly. Ibiza does not appear. Not a surprise given it was dropped half way through the current summer.
 

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Florence

Serious problems with this route over the past two Saturdays - full details chronicled contemporaneously in the BRS cancellations thread.

Last Saturday the FLR-BRS sector arrived at BRS nearly three and a half hours late. As a result the BRS-FLR sector was cancelled, it was thought because of crewing hours. It seems the aircraft and crew operate LCY-FLR-BRS-FLR-STN.

Today an identical occurrence took place although this time the FLR-BRS sector arrived 'only' 76 or 78 minutes late, depending on whether FR24 or the BRS website is the more accurate.

Someone on another forum said he used the flight in June but on the FLR-BRS sector the aircaft returned to the stand for all hold bags to be offloaded because the aircraft was too heavy. This led to a a delay. The FLR runway is even shorter than BRS's - over 250 metres shorter to be precise - and weight of aircraft can apparently be a critical factor there.
 

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The FLR runway is even shorter than BRS's - over 250 metres shorter to be precise - and weight of aircraft can apparently be a critical factor there.
I'm surprised at that as the Cityflyer operation is designed to operate from an airport with a short runway, though I've no doubt many of the routes operated by them don't usually have a large amount of luggage on them.
 

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I'm surprised at that as the Cityflyer operation is designed to operate from an airport with a short runway, though I've no doubt many of the routes operated by them don't usually have a large amount of luggage on them.
Most of the routes from LCY are not that long so don’t require as much fuel. There are few longer routes though and there has been some recent press about people being offloaded as the hot weather here and in Southern Europe had decreased aircraft performance.
 

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I read something about Flybe's E175s out of SOU that there performance gets restricted to the med. I wonder if it's just the E170/175 variant or would the E190 get affected as well?
 
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As with many weekly rotations, any idea what fallback measures (if any) BACF has in the event that the flight is cancelled. Obviously EU 261 could apply or do they just refund the ticket price?
 

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As with many weekly rotations, any idea what fallback measures (if any) BACF has in the event that the flight is cancelled. Obviously EU 261 could apply or do they just refund the ticket price?
kraktoa was involved with a cancelled flight recently. He might be able to enlighten us.

I read a post on another forum from a regular poster who is usually knowledgeable that in fact the aircraft only does three sectors on Saturdays: London City-Florence-Bristol-Florence. It overnights in Florence then flies to Stansted on Sunday morning. This makes the cancellation of the BRS-FLR sectors on recent Saturdays even harder to fathom.
 

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