How concerned are you about the Coronavirus?


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Worrying reports across the news over recent days regarding the Caronavirus. How concerned are you?
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Kevin Farnell

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Anyone returning from Spain will have to go into 14 days quarantine from midnight tonight due to outbreaks in Catalonia and Madrid areas, official announcement tonight apparently.
Does that include all Spanish territory (e.g. also the Balearic and Canary islands), or just the mainland?

Kevin
 

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I'm not advocating going back to pre-Covid normality now, but that the situation is not as dire as the media constantly makes out - just heard Jeremy Vine say Leicester has gone back into lockdown indefinitely - if that's the state of the media no wonder people are terrified!
I’ve had to switch off whenever Jeremy Vine comes on, completely patronising and quite a lot of the time utterly clueless - the number of times he’s been pulled up on air by the experts for stating inaccurate facts is quite shocking. And as for Dull Dan on BBC Breakfast - considering he calls himself a devout Christian he really does seem to relish in the high death counts and unemployment figures.
 

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Most, but not all BBC reporters are students of other subjects and journalism is a secondary occupation. e.g., Miss L. Minchin qualified at Law whilst that Walker chap is primarily a sports hack with nothing better to do in the morning. I could offer an opinion on Mr. N. Campbell but I choose discretion over valour or stupidity. An exception to the norm is Clive Coleman, the legal correspondent. He covers the big trials and Supreme Court and is a Barrister.

I force myself to listen to Radio 4 every morning and beg to ask the BBC to stop getting in politicians, ask them sensible questions and constantly and rudely interrupt answers leaving the guest to obfuscate and evade thus the confusion and fear created.

Thunderchild is correct about Vine, the wannabe Paxman.
 

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I apologise in advance if this post upsets or irritates members. I have seen images on the web and broadcast media of a mass of people swamping coastal and inland resorts. I also witnessed a local family load up their vehicle for what seems to be a jolly to the seaside.

I do not wish to be killjoy neither do I wish to receive a visitor that has indulged in this manner against best advice. To be blunt, it is wilfull endangerment and a criminal office to knowingly place another person at risk of infection. This law has been successfully prosecuted in cases of the transmission of HIV.

People that continue to act as if normal life has resumed and ignore the rest of us citing ' freedoms ' and ' rights ' should think hard about the consequences as winter approaches and hospitals are unable to manage a surge. I speak as a potential patient given my current illness and I admit to being worried.

I underline the point, I do not in any way or form, suggest that any member of F4A is culpable of reckless behaviour. Thank you and be safe.
 

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Most, but not all BBC reporters are students of other subjects and journalism is a secondary occupation. e.g., Miss L. Minchin qualified at Law whilst that Walker chap is primarily a sports hack with nothing better to do in the morning.
Indeed, apparently the reason the Tory Government refuse to go on the ITV breakfast programme is because they are quite happy to be “grilled” over their policies and actions by a Match Of The Day stand in host!
 

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I apologise in advance if this post upsets or irritates members. I have seen images on the web and broadcast media of a mass of people swamping coastal and inland resorts. I also witnessed a local family load up their vehicle for what seems to be a jolly to the seaside.

I do not wish to be killjoy neither do I wish to receive a visitor that has indulged in this manner against best advice. To be blunt, it is wilfull endangerment and a criminal office to knowingly place another person at risk of infection. This law has been successfully prosecuted in cases of the transmission of HIV.

People that continue to act as if normal life has resumed and ignore the rest of us citing ' freedoms ' and ' rights ' should think hard about the consequences as winter approaches and hospitals are unable to manage a surge. I speak as a potential patient given my current illness and I admit to being worried.

I underline the point, I do not in any way or form, suggest that any member of F4A is culpable of reckless behaviour. Thank you and be safe.
I agree to an extent, however if done with common sense some of these things are acceptable (the common sense part usually being the problem).

Take your neighbour that you saw packing up for a trip to the seaside - were they heading to one of the packed beaches in Brighton or Bournemouth? Or were they heading for a quieter, less "touristy" area? Whilst I'd suggest the former probably isn't a smart move at the moment, the latter IMHO is acceptable.

One also has to consider what the government is saying/doing - in the past week Spain was re-added to the quarantine list, and in the past 24 hours the PM has encouraged people to have a "staycation" (hate that phrase!) and that he himself will likely be taking a short break in this country over the summer. No wonder the popular tourist hot spots are packed!

Also worth considering is how the media portray these events. Last month when Brighton/Bournemouth beaches were busy, pictures of packed beaches were spread across newspapers, the tv and online. These pictures all showed views looking along the beach, however some other pictures found only after digging through news articles to the end actually showed the view looking across the beach (out to sea) and you could clearly see that people were sat apart maintaining the 2m social distancing rule.
 

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Worth watching:


And reading:


1 in 4300 chance of catching Covid on a 2 hour flight - or 1 in every 24 flights.

Ultimately if you don't feel comfortable flying then don't. But how comfortable do you feel going shopping, or catching a train, or going to the pub?

What happens if we never get a vaccine? Will you stop flying altogether?

It all comes down to acceptable risk - wear a face mask, wash your hands regularly, limit interaction with cabin crew/airport workers, take anti-bacterial wipes and wipe down your seat & tray table.
 

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Worth watching:


And reading:


What happens if we never get a vaccine? Will you stop flying altogether?

It all comes down to acceptable risk - wear a face mask, wash your hands regularly, limit interaction with cabin crew/airport workers, take anti-bacterial wipes and wipe down your seat & tray table.
What a palaver. No thanks. If thats how it has to be I won`t be flying anywhere. Can`t say it bothers me as I find the whole airport experience awful these days anywhere. Instead I can use my car down to the EuroTunnel and from there drive to some great places of interest across Europe. As a precaution we have already booked Brittany Ferries for our main holiday next year.
 

Coathanger16

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Strange times...

Wearing a face mask on a plane is a palaver...

...yet driving to the south coast, getting on the EuroTunnel, driving to wherever in Europe, taking 3 or 4 times longer, isn't.

By the time you got off the EuroTunnel in France, your mate who left at the same time as you, is already on the beach in the South of France.

I know what I'd rather do, but each to their own.

(Consider face masks are almost certainly going to be mandatory until a vaccine is found - better get used to them or you'll find there's an increasingly smaller number of things you can do without one!)
 

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I have driven from UK to abroad once. Drove to Loire Valley via sleepover at Dover to catch early morning ferry. I was stressed out by the time I drove onto the ferry - everybody trying to get on first, I'm not prepared to prang my car for that. Then a days drive down to Fontenvaurd.
On the way back we left at 6am, afternoon ferry to Dover and a drive back to Yorkshire, convenience stops only. It took 13 hours, I just wanted to get back home. That is nearly 20 years since and I have not had the desire to do it again. May be it's my age, but I am going to try flying next month (unless it gets cancelled) which - to me - is a much more civilised way of travelling long distances.

Sorry, I have digressed. Mods please feel free to move.
 

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Coathanger....
Its called choice..thankfully mine are different to yours. Viva la difference..As to travel we can call at places like Oxford enroute to Portsmouth. An overnight on a cruise ferry to be dropped in the heart of Brittany at St Malo..Trust me a whole world experience different to airports and flying.
 

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St Malo overnight is a great experience ...excellent facilities and restaurant serving an A La Carte Menu...superb seafood selection, good food and wine then retire for the evening and arrive in St Malo around 7am totally refreshed a total different experience to be sat in LBA with the piss heads.
You have certainly changed your tune. Up until covid, weren't you one of them?
 

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Used Brittany ferries 3 times now, 2 times to spain and once back with my folks, so not rushing we set off around 5am to Plymouth or Portsmouth, the ferry leaves early afternoon which means you can relax late afternoon into the eve, get a good nights sleep arriving into Santander or bilbao the following day around midday, from northern spain you pass through the cantabrian mountains all the way to madrid then south east to Alicante arriving late eve, its a long trip but worth it. everyones cirumstances are different, many would hate the thought of travelling that way to spain esp if you just want a chilled out holiday but if spending a lot of time down there it makes sense to drive there as it saves on car hire. Ive never come across the English channel and down through france but look forward to that possibly in jan.
 

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Coathanger....
Its called choice..thankfully mine are different to yours. Viva la difference..As to travel we can call at places like Oxford enroute to Portsmouth. An overnight on a cruise ferry to be dropped in the heart of Brittany at St Malo..Trust me a whole world experience different to airports and flying.
I know what I'd rather do, but each to their own.
Just find it funny that on a forum dedicated to airports, airlines and the aviation industry as a whole, there's a number of people who would rather travel by other modes of transport...and by the sounds of things, regardless of Covid!
 

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Very good point Coathanger. However COVID has changed our thinking, and in some respects purely to save our jobs. Can we risk being quarantined at a moments notice! It seems aviation is the only risk however in reality that is so far from the truth. I can't socialise at home with by best and safe friends but I can socialise with strangers in a pub! All I am saying is this whole situation is wrong albeit no easy fix. It's purely economy vs health. Perhaps even LUFC vs BCFC even!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Yes

England will now come into line with Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and a number of other countries in the way that coronavirus deaths are counted.
The other UK nations record deaths as coronavirus if someone dies within 28 days of a postive test. In England there was no cut-off date so if someone had tested positive in, say, March and recovered but was killed in a road accident in August the death would be amongst those counted as coronavirus deaths.

Removing those who were previously counted in England will reduce the overall UK total of coronavirus deaths by over 5,300 or 12 %.

The obvious question is why did it take so long to realise that England was ploughing a different furrow to the other UK nations?
 

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Perhaps there was a need to maximise the death count for effect, to scare people into behaviour alien to themselves. A grubby way to do it but cannot be dismissed! And the press did not help matters by emphasising every round thousand as a milestone and the practice of creating league tables, The worst, second worst and so on. The daily media showpiece though informative was free food for those journalists with no honour and with an anything goes attitude.

I had a fall last week and if I bothered to call for an ambulance and was admitted, then passed, I may have been counted as a Covid Case and not as someone with an underlying brain issue that WILL kill me soon enough!

Why did it take so long? Could it be the dark works of a certain special adviser in Downing Street?
 
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