How concerned are you about the Coronavirus?

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Worrying reports across the news over recent days regarding the Coronavirus. How concerned are you?
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Robert Jenrick is just being British, must have fair play chaps and no jumping the queue irrespective of the Millions of surplus vials waiting for it's expiry date to pass. What other jurisdiction would allow such ineptitude? Civil disobedience is likely as Parliament goes on summer recess.
 
I try my best to follow members on Twitter. What is your Twitter account name as I would like to give you a follow. Of course you don’t have to it’s entirely your choice.

Hugh Osmond
Adam Brooks
Sacha Lord - Greater Manchester night economy advisor, taken government to court 3 times, won twice and other was politics from Hancock (no surprise really given his track record of lying)
 
Robert Jenrick is just being British, must have fair play chaps and no jumping the queue irrespective of the Millions of surplus vials waiting for it's expiry date to pass. What other jurisdiction would allow such ineptitude? Civil disobedience is likely as Parliament goes on summer recess.

Madness. Why wasn’t a strategy like this thought of all the while back? Or am I missing that it’s typical civil servants under terrible ministers/secretary of states with lack of leadership.

100%. Protests will happen as will civil disobedience. A lot of people had the vaccine in good faith. A lot have followed the rules to the T, in good faith. The British public’s good faith is running on empty fumes.
 
I’ve watched Hancock’s interviews on GMB over the course of the pandemic and I must say he looks rather stupid and clueless. He’s made soo many errors during the pandemic I’m not sure how he’s still health secretary. There are also many others but he’s just an example.
 
Yes Minister comes to mind, if it wasn't so serious it could be funny telly.

Unless you go to the Lords and get Ken Clarke back in post, I cannot think of anyone capable other than Jeremy Hunt but he refused to serve under Boris after leadership battle.

Meanwhile, Hancocks half hour continues!!
 
Are they your Twitter accounts @Sherburnflyer92?

Oh know I read it as what accounts do I follow. Erm my own I tend to keep private but I'll PM you.

Jenny the days of senior longstanding career MP's who are decent conservatives have long gone thanks to the current buffoon running the Conservative party and sadly our country. However there are some very credible MP's who are Tory making a good name for themselves just by been a constitute MP. Mark Harper is one of my personal favourites and I would say surely a forerunner for future leadership. A details man who sticks it to the Hancock and makes him look incompetent (not that anyone needs to do that). Penny Morduant is also one to watch; she tore Angela Rayner down a few weeks ago in a very articulate and calm manner. If either of them stood as PM at the next election - Torys would seriously be getting my vote.
 
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It amazes me the ignorance of the absolute cretins in power

More importantly why haven’t they started giving out the J/J vaccine? It’s one, not two, and could easily start with 18/19 year olds.

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine was approved for use on May 28th with first supply of the 20 million one shot doses due in August I think it is.
In otherwords you can't vaccinate with what you haven't got a bit like the EU discovered with the Astra Zenica jab earlier in the year. By the end of July all of the the adult population refusnick idiots apart will have had at least one dose and around 75% will be fully vaccinated with either Pfizer, Astra Zenica or Moderna vaccines.

Therefore the Johnson &Johnson vaccine would probably be best used if it can to vaccinate children if the government gets approval that is safe for kids as one jab and job done would see the UK fully vaccinated in around nine months an achievement beyond what anyone thought possible this time last year.

Whatever we all think re politicians the government along with local authorities, the NHS which is a government organisation of course, chemists etc and the many volunteers have somehow carried an amazingly successful vaccination programme out with a combination of foresight, skill, hard work and a good dose of luck particularly in picking the winners in terms of vaccines do not deserve the term cretins in my view.

The really good news is much of Europe is catching up and the USA will complete about the same time as us.

Then booster jabs?
 
Whatever we all think re politicians the government along with local authorities, the NHS which is a government organisation of course, chemists etc and the many volunteers have somehow carried an amazingly successful vaccination programme out with a combination of foresight, skill, hard work and a good dose of luck particularly in picking the winners in terms of vaccines do not deserve the term cretins in my view.
You miss my point. Andy Burnham has called for 18-30 year olds to be vaccinated in Greater Manchester due to the Indian variant. Therefore an increase in supply of vaccine for the area above the rest of the country. Something many, no matter political colour or opinion, go “yeah basic common sense and logic if we are honest”.

Robert Jenrick (Minister for housing) has said that the supply to GM to allow this to be done will not alter and therefore GM will vaccinate the same speed as the rest of the country. So I will remain that some in power are cretins with absolute no understanding of what on earth is going on. “We will look into this” followed up by it been done, or Matt Hancock doing something, would have been brilliant. Bare also in mind Andy called for this yesterday, called for this previously before both stages of the road map under guise of “surge vaccination” but was ignored. If he was a Tory Mayor would he been ignored?

Remember only a few months ago, the government was going to slow supply to Yorkshire, given the high % of doses administered in the area to divert towards other areas with a lower % of doses administered until Yorkshire Post exposed this, along with national press, and they changed their mind. If they can think about doing it then, they can do it now when we’ve got better supply/organisation etc.
 
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O.K. fair enough if I've missed the the point but what I was trying to say is that the amount of vaccine available is limited and as far as I understand everything that the medical professions around the world says is vaccinate by age and vulnerability which is what they are doing with what is available but I agree diverting supplies to hot spots is sensible along with other measures but clearly that then effects others so there is a balance to strike with the available resources.

Andy Burnham is an excellent Lord Mayor in my view and connects with people as does old Boris in his own style, we have a pretty decent Mayor down here in Andy Street although he is from the blue side and in Teesside they've even got one who backs the airport to the hilt although I'm not sure if he is Labour or Tory, certainly won't be Lib Dem.

Anyway good to exchange views have good day I'm concentrating on the test match at Edgbaston today.

Cheers rollo
 
One potential problem with surge vaccinations is how quickly it could happen - if our supply of vaccines has been allocated to people who have booked their vaccine for say the next 2 weeks, that would be 2 weeks before surge vaccinations could happen in Greater Manchester for example. Given that the infection rate is now falling in Bolton, without surge vaccinations having happened, with the same measures now being applied in Greater Manchester, in 2 weeks time cases may well be falling there as well.

The alternative in order to do surge vaccinations immediately is to cancel peoples first jab appointments. That then has the potential to put those people off having a vaccine when it then comes back round to them again.

Another point to consider is vaccine supply. Reading an article yesterday it suggested there was plenty supply of Oxford AstraZeneca, but limited supply of Pfizer or Moderna. Given OAZ is being limited to over 40's only - most of whom have already had their first dose - it could mean to surge vaccinate in Greater Manchester would mean halting the vaccine rollout across the rest of the country. If cases were only going up in Manchester that would be ok, but with cases starting to creep up across the country, diverting vaccine supplies to Manchester could lead to what we're seeing happen there happen across the rest of the country as well.

Think of it this way: you've got a big weed in your garden, so you stop applying weed killer to your whole garden and focus on the big weed. By the time you've got rid of it, you've had several more big weeds appear. If you'd just carried on applying it across your garden, the one big weed would take longer to die off, but you would have avoided having any other big weeds appear.

Andy Burnham is by far "noisier" than the rest of the regional mayors combined, so I wouldn't be surprised if the government have just tuned out by now.
 
Good analogy there @Coathanger16 however my problem lies with the fact it was called for when infections were on the rise in Bolton and Blackburn and not whole of Greater Manchester. And it was ignored. So could have been prevented or not as bad. As ever too late to everything.

Given the fact the NHS have reported that 1,082,596 slots in the first 24 hour period, with 493,000 appointments reserved by midday on the Tuesday I don't think we'll have too much of a problem with unlocking on the 21st June. All they need to do now is release it for everyone else and see what happens. So much for "the young will hold this up", "the young are to Balme for infections rising", "the young, the young, the young".

O.K. fair enough if I've missed the the point but what I was trying to say is that the amount of vaccine available is limited and as far as I understand everything that the medical professions around the world says is vaccinate by age and vulnerability which is what they are doing with what is available but I agree diverting supplies to hot spots is sensible along with other measures but clearly that then effects others so there is a balance to strike with the available resources.

They did the first 9 all be it by end of March/beginning of April which is incredible feet when you think about it. Diverting supplies now may seem mad (I still think they should) but diverting supplies when the variant was taking hold in only one location doesn't seem as mad. Once they are vaccinated the supplies go elsewhere as you've done what you needed to do in the effected but earlier and therefore you can surge vaccines across the rest of the country.
Anyway good to exchange views have good day I'm concentrating on the test match at Edgbaston today.

May the best man win (y)
 
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Vaccines are available in huge quantity but the UK Government are too stubborn to obtain them. Where are they? Russia and China. You probably could fill an Antonov 225 with what we need but cannot stomach getting them from Communist States or the alleged creator of the Virus.

Government mindset is British first i.e. OAZ and anyone else's later if any left..Oh, and the British fascination with 'The queue '.
 
Vaccines are available in huge quantity but the UK Government are too stubborn to obtain them. Where are they? Russia and China. You probably could fill an Antonov 225 with what we need but cannot stomach getting them from Communist States or the alleged creator of the Virus.

Government mindset is British first i.e. OAZ and anyone else's later if any left..Oh, and the British fascination with 'The queue '.

i would rather have a vaccine that's been openly developed and trialled rather than a russian or chinese one thanks where they don't even want to share the data - not that they have actually given much away despite the publicity though. also the efficacy of those ones is really not good as can be seen in countries where they have predominantly used them yet are experiencing new waves of infection in supposedly protected people.

also i really have no idea why you would want to give any money to those repugnant regimes.

if the government mindset really was british first I am not sure where you think the pfizer/moderna/janssen ones are coming from?
 
The news coming from G7 is that of a huge commitment to provide half a Billion units of Covid vaccine gratis to the poor nations.

Devil's advocate here. Does that include the technically poor, the over extended nations now deeply indebted because of artificial stimulus and furlough schemes?

Do people understand what half a Billion looks like? How are the manufacturers expected to deliver in a timely and efficient manner?

Who is coordinating distribution?

I personally do not begrudge such philanthropy but am certain many do.

America says ' no strings attached ' and Boris ' hurrumphed ' not a chap to string a sentence is he?

The Trump camp will be preparing for the mid terms and Pres. Biden may have given them ammunition ( socialism in America, Heaven forbid ).

Does immunising the world make it safe?

After Coronavirus what next? Will there be a noble effort to eradicate Malaria? How about a vaccine against Cancer?

Coronavirus has consumed the world and precedents have been set so can we expect more progress or is it ' normal service resumed '?

Devil's advocate rests.
 
My view is the scientists who developed the vaccine etc are brilliant. We had a lot of dooers who just got on with it, rather then be caught up in bureaucratic red tip they can tie fancy ribbons with. So if we can do that; we can look into and get Cancer sorted; HIV sorted etc. There is just not the want or need because, unfortunately as brutal as I sound, it is population control especially Cancer.

Immunising the vulnerable does make it safer. By safer we mean no overload of health service and therefore health services able to cope with demand.

As we are near the end of the vaccine programme within the west with great success (even though in the UK you wouldn't think so) and therefore it should be given to those poorer across the world.
 
What does one measure success against? Not having a go but are we in the West safe? The Indian variant, call it what it is shall we?, is the previously unknown variable along with the others that may still derail the vehicle that is the roadmap meaning restrictions remain in force indefinitely.
 
We were told "we are protecting the NHS to ensure it isn't overwhelmed" - we've done that. The NHS has no chance of been overwhelmed now. There are far more hospitals then there is patients within those hospitals. NHS chefs calling the for lockdown to end, NHS chiefs also calling the modelling inaccurate is what should alarm every single one of us.

The modellers and boom/gloom scaremongers did some modelling in which the road map, we have to assume, was based on. We are, even with "delta" variant, below all the models that they predicted. They didn't do any modelling on cases as cases to base the road map on which again implies they know the inaccuracy of testing. A case is different to someone who is actually ill with the disease.

We've had the 25-30 been called for their vaccines and reported the busiest days for bookings. (1,000,000 in one day). We are pretty safe. There is been safe and then there is wrapping the UK in cotton wool.

These scientists, doom & gloom scaremongers, even some Communist scientists who are now pushing a totally different agenda. They've had their day; time to kick them back into the long grass and get on with living. I didn't sign up to live in Communist China.

We live with risk in every single thing we do; I drive to work there is a risk. I work with heavy cages there is a risk. I drive for work delivering shopping there is a risk. I go out with friends for a few drinks there is a risk. I get on a train there is a risk. I go swimming or to the gym there is a risk. Every single thing we do in life has risk attached. It's up to me as an adult and human to mitigate that risk or calculate the risk and go "yeah that's fine". I don't need some scientists or modeller telling me what I can and cannot do based on his pretty inaccurate modelling and forecasting which turns out to be - well wrong as proved in October re: 4,000 people dead was it or 4,000 in hospital every day?

Every virus mutates. In fact some scientists say that a disease can mutate up to 300,000 times before dying out. As long as they've got the original sequencing and have been jabbed what is the problem. We live with flu every season and its mutation and just get on with it.

Currently 450 people are dying every day, on average, according to Cancer research, with cancer. Someone did some stat saying more people died in one day due to Cancer that have died of covid in the last 40 days. And the situation is probably a lot worse given the "protect" NHS slogan etc.

Finally; we need the economy. All parts of the economy unlocked. Health = Wealth which = Health. A vicious circle which has just been focused upon Health this past 15 months. And not even every aspect of Health but only one.
 
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