Manchester Airport Transformation Programme

[marni1971]

Because US security staff were required and they were to be armed inside the security area

not quite sure what you mean on weapons, but if you are saying CBP officers want to be armed and this would be a major sticking point, then i think you need to look at other places where there is pre-clearance. Both in DUB and SNN CBP officers do not carry weapons - so clearly it is possible.

US Pre clearance staff adhere to the host countries laws on weapons.

The problem at Manchester seems to be a) sharing the cost of supporting the US staff to live here and b) a requirement for US bound cleared passengers to have their own sterile departure lounge - with facilities - plus separate gates after security checks. It would be down to Manchester to provide these. Plus you need enough customers to justify the outlay.

Like a lot of news early on in the TP, it seems an announcement was made before the details were checked.

 

[EGCC_MAN]

Don't expect USPC at MAN. The cost-benefit analysis added up a decade ago, but not even close now. And we're well along a technology innovation curve which sees immigration queueing times far less of an issue than they used to be. That should only improve ... possibly rapidly.

 

[LS@MAN]

Can anyone confirm Aurigny transferred to T2 today? Flight radar says T3, but during a check last week on their website the arrival terminal at MAN was T2?!

 

[Curious Pax]

If the US clearance business case was in any way marginal at the outset, then the loss of the Thomas Cook, American Airlines, US Airways, Delta and United flights since the T2 Transformation programme was announced in 2015 will all have killed it off.

 

[MKY661]

Can anyone confirm Aurigny transferred to T2 today? Flight radar says T3, but during a check last week on their website the arrival terminal at MAN was T2?!

Manchester Airport website now stating Aurigny will move to T2 on Tuesday 18th February.

I had a feeling it wouldn't happen this week as it was not advertised on the airport website until now.

 

[Trumpington]

Manchester Airport website now stating Aurigny will move to T2 on Tuesday 18th February.

I had a feeling it wouldn't happen this week as it was not advertised on the airport website until now.

Where they going to park?

 

[LS@MAN]

Where they going to park?

Remote, either on the Zulu apron stands (behind pier 1) or possibly next to the cargo sheds.

 

[KARFA]

by biometric gates, i understand the plan is to capture biometrics for CTA flights arriving, allow them to mix with international arrivals, then at the border those with biometrics can avoid immigration and redo the biometrics so they are identified as arrivals not needing passport control.

by biometrics it means like they are in T3 atm for domestic flights, so a picture of your face captured at security which can be matched again on entry to the pier for 142/143 gates. so it doesn't require ID. it will effectively be the same except here you do it for everyone arriving and then match up at passport control. (edit: many years ago they used to give DUB arrivals in to LGW a card, you mixed with all int arrivals, and then you handed it in at passport control to identify yourself as a CTA arrival where you were allowed to then bypass immigration, this is effectively a more sophisticated version of that).

what i think is confused is what the process will apply to? all CTA/UK arrivals? or CTA arrivals (DUB/ JER/GCI etc.) but not UK arrivals as they will be segregated on arrival?

and if the latter, is there an internal UK arrivals segregated route or will UK arrivals always be bussed to the baggage hall to bypass immigration? i know the video linked earlier says UK arrivals will use jetbridges but that just means you can load passengers on via them and doesn't make clear whether arrivals will be decanted down to the apron and on a bus instead.

well to answer my own question, it looks like all CTA flights follow the process, not just the non-UK ones. so that would mean all UK, IE, IOM, JER, GCI.

departures - as already noted by others, biometrics at security (like T1 & T3 now), then biometrics again at A1-A4 or bus gate upon boarding.

arrivals - will be taking biometrics on arrival at A1-A4 or bus gate, walk to immigration but take a marked channel to the left where you re-do biometrics in order to avoid immigration. seems there is no internal segregated route. to put this in context, no other UK airport does domestic/CTA arrivals this way.

the only thing i am not clear on is whether for remote stand arrivals who are bused, they also get dropped off somewhere and still do the whole biometric process, or is there potential to drop off straight to the baggage hall and bypass immigration? i suspect the former but will see if i can find out.

 

[joshl257]

I was under the impression domestic had to be separated. I thought the airport would use the old passport control as the domestic route then head down to legacy baggage claim belt 1 and 2 also segregated. The circulation core has an escalator at ground level so I can see that being used. As old as T3 is it works well for domestic,

 

[KARFA]

I was under the impression domestic had to be separated. I thought the airport would use the old passport control as the domestic route then head down to legacy baggage claim belt 1 and 2 also segregated. The circulation core has an escalator at ground level so I can see that being used. As old as T3 is it works well for domestic,

doesn't have to be no, but then if you don't you end up with these kinds of sub optimal arrangements.

and yes, for all the problems in T3, you are off and out from a domestic flight very quickly. no more in T2.

 

[Trumpington]

Any dates for Pier 2 airbridges installation? Could recycle T1s and 2 off satalliate!

 

[Trumpington]

Will the Manchester sign on T2 be fixed!?

 

[Scottie Dog]

The answer to your question #Trumpington is NO. It would need to be totally replaced and that is not in today's budget. I have suggested that they cut the power so that it does not look 'silly' at night.

 

[harrisons0482]

the only thing i am not clear on is whether for remote stand arrivals who are bused, they also get dropped off somewhere and still do the whole biometric process, or is there potential to drop off straight to the baggage hall and bypass immigration? i suspect the former but will see if i can find out.

There's a new domestic arrival bussing gate - gate 802 - next to the current international arrivals bussing gate (B12). 802 has the new biometric scanners installed, and had their first use today as Aurigny began ops from T2, using stand 927 and busses over to gate 802.

 

[KARFA]

There's a new domestic arrival bussing gate - gate 802 - next to the current international arrivals bussing gate (B12). 802 has the new biometric scanners installed, and had their first use today as Aurigny began ops from T2, using stand 927 and busses over to gate 802.

thanks. so you have to wait to get bussed, then still have to do the biometrics at the bus gate you arrive at, then walk to immigration, then biometrics again to bypass immigration.

i feel there should have been a simpler solution just to bus straight to the baggage hall rather than this sub-optimal arrangement!

 

[LS@MAN]

Any dates for Pier 2 airbridges installation? Could recycle T1s and 2 off satalliate!

No need for that, there will be brand new airbridge’s on pier 2, same as the pier 1 type.

Should be soon, I think most of the links and nodes are complete.
These were assembled off site to increase the time spent on assembly and saved on space within the building footprint of pier 2.

 

[Trumpington]

The answer to your question #Trumpington is NO. It would need to be totally replaced and that is not in today's budget. I have suggested that they cut the power so that it does not look 'silly' at night.

Not just a light bulb change then!?

Will remote stands still be available overnight when dual ops off peak? Would make sense.......

 

[LS@MAN]

Not just a light bulb change then!?

Will remote stands still be available overnight when dual ops off peak? Would make sense.......

Not as simple as that unfortunately…

Which remote stands? The Zulu stands behind pier 1 and some of the stands on the western apron, yes.
But once the new dual taxiway system is in place, the remote stands next to the cargo sheds will disappear until they are replaced, which will happen when the cargo sheds disappear…

 

[Trumpington]

Not as simple as that unfortunately…

Which remote stands? The Zulu stands behind pier 1 and some of the stands on the western apron, yes.
But once the new dual taxiway system is in place, the remote stands next to the cargo sheds will disappear until they are replaced, which will happen when the cargo sheds disappear…

Have we any indication on numbers and configuration of new remotes in place of cargo sheds? Assume replace all those lost, which is significant! Any indication on when shed demolition will begin?

 

[LS@MAN]

Have we any indication on numbers and configuration of new remotes in place of cargo sheds? Assume replace all those lost, which is significant! Any indication on when shed demolition will begin?

No idea to be honest, mostly like code C as most aircraft would be the likes of easyJet/Jet2 or TUI narrowbody’s.

During late spring/early summer Swissport are due to move out so I guess then…