Airport seeks legal clarification on night flying

[Seasider]

Looks like the date has now moved out to 6/9/2024 according to the planning portal, no doubt it will move again…https://publicaccess.leeds.gov.uk/o...tails.do?activeTab=dates&keyVal=S5NAHTJBKV000

A deadline (when submitted) of 2 months has now been extended to 9 months. How long are they going to take to admit they have got it wrong.
Those who shall not be named will not let them forget about it so they may as well "come clean" and grant the CLEUD to LBA.

 

[Seasider]

It has all gone quiet on this topic so hopefully something will be announced at the beginning of September. The way the "night" flights have been stacking up, it must be getting close to the "accepted" number. LBA must still be confident that they have got the interpretation correct.

 

[lbaspotter]

Those that shall not be named have again been at it outside Leeds Town hall today

Campaigners stage protest against night flights at Leeds Bradford Airport

Pyjama-clad campaigners gathered in the city centre to vent frustrations over night flights in Leeds.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

In response to the concerns, Vincent Hodder, CEO of Leeds Bradford Airport, said:
“Today we have submitted three appeals with the planning inspectorate against the non-determination and refusal by Leeds City Council of LBA’s CLEUD applications made in December 2023.

“To be clear, LBA isn’t looking to secure a new planning consent, amend the current conditions or operate an unlimited number of night flights but after a much extended decision-making period and significant level of public interest, we have requested a public inquiry which will allow an informed decision to be made by an independent third party on the correct legal interpretation of the existing planning conditions governing the operation of night flights at LBA.

“In the meantime, we have and will continue to operate in accordance with our interpretation of the planning conditions.

“The purpose of the existing planning consent when granted was to allow night flights but minimise the potential for increased noise of those flights on local communities. Our interpretation of the conditions stays true to this purpose and would encourage airlines to deploy the latest generation of aircraft which are quieter and more efficient.

“We want to meet the demand for international connectivity that exists in the region and play our part in driving economic growth in Yorkshire”

 

[White Heather]

What a huge turnout - not. Despite a rallying cry for everyone to turn up in their PJs and not forgetting to take their teddy bears. The guy lives in Headingley and complains about aircraft noise? Traffic noise and revellers make more racket than any aircraft passing overhead at 2500 feet.

I'd love to know when they all moved into their homes under the flight path!

I'm going to bed now before I say something I might regret. Hopefully I'll be able to sleep through the noise of so many aircraft landing over my house.

 

[BCFC]

Those that shall not be named have again been at it outside Leeds Town hall today

Campaigners stage protest against night flights at Leeds Bradford Airport

Pyjama-clad campaigners gathered in the city centre to vent frustrations over night flights in Leeds.

www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk

Seems to be more women than men in the photo…light sleepers!

 

[ChrisBBB]

What a huge turnout - not. Despite a rallying cry for everyone to turn up in their PJs and not forgetting to take their teddy bears. The guy lives in Headingley and complains about aircraft noise? Traffic noise and revellers make more racket than any aircraft passing overhead at 2500 feet.

I'd love to know when they all moved into their homes under the flight path!

I'm going to bed now before I say something I might regret. Hopefully I'll be able to sleep through the noise of so many aircraft landing over my house.

There is an article in today’s T&A, with the usual comments. One such person complaining, lives under the flight path and is disturbed by night flights, but contradicts himself (or her or they/them) by saying ‘when arriving at 3:30 for my 6am flight to Dublin, I was shocked planes were still landing at that time.’

If he was unaware of them before, the night time disturbance can’t be that bad then!

 

[Aviador]

It's the same old 15 - 20 faces over and over everytime this group shows up. Nobody else cares.

 

[White Heather]

There is an article in today’s T&A, with the usual comments. One such person complaining, lives under the flight path and is disturbed by night flights, but contradicts himself (or her or they/them) by saying ‘when arriving at 3:30 for my 6am flight to Dublin, I was shocked planes were still landing at that time.’

If he was unaware of them before, the night time disturbance can’t be that bad then!

Not only does he contradict himself but he books a night flight himself (given that here in sleepy ol' Yorkshire, 0600 is still night when just about everywhere else, it's daytime).

But yes, if he was amazed to find aircraft still landing at 0330 then clearly he hadn't been concentrating on the job !

 

[Seasider]

Why didn't they protest at night whilst being kept awake?

 

[Aviador]

Why didn't they protest at night whilst being kept awake?

So true but in reality it was because they were actually asleep!

 

[Snackbar]

Seem LCC are in the airports case…. Idiots…LcC are pushing an enforcement case against LBA

 

[Statto]

Seem LCC are in the airports case…. Idiots…LcC are pushing an enforcement case against LBA

Just in relation to QC1 departures. Which doesn't really affect any of the based operators

 

[alpha.alpha]

Can somebody expand on what's being enforced and what aircraft this effects?

 

[Statto]

Can somebody expand on what's being enforced and what aircraft this effects?

Aircraft with noise quota count of 1 on departure. Which have always been prohibited from departing at night, although the airport argued in its CLUED application that the the council had not enforced this condition for a period of 10 years.

 

[White Heather]

Aircraft with noise quota count of 1 on departure. Which have always been prohibited from departing at night, although the airport argued in its CLUED application that the the council had not enforced this condition for a period of 10 years.

Seems the Clowncil have suddenly thought that they had better start taking enforcement action now. Odd they didnt for the past 10 years or more, yet do now after the CLEUD. I'm sure that will be something that will come under scrutiny when the airport's appeal is heard.

 

[alpha.alpha]

Aircraft with noise quota count of 1 on departure. Which have always been prohibited from departing at night, although the airport argued in its CLUED application that the the council had not enforced this condition for a period of 10 years.

So which aircraft is that?

 

[Snackbar]

Just in relation to QC1 departures. Which doesn't really affect any of the based operators

No - but it sets a tone

Seems the Clowncil have suddenly thought that they had better start taking enforcement action now. Odd they didnt for the past 10 years or more, yet do now after the CLEUD. I'm sure that will be something that will come under scrutiny when the airport's appeal is heard.

have the airport decided on an appeal yet?

 

[Aviador]

So which aircraft is that?

Generated by AI:

The Quota Count (QC) classification system is used at London's Heathrow, Gatwick, and Stansted airports to limit the amount of noise aircraft make at night. The QC classification system is based on noise certification data from measurements taken on aircraft, and aircraft are classified into different QC levels based on their noise data. The QC levels are:

• QC 1: Noisier than QC 0.5
  
  
• QC 0.5: Noisier than QC 0.25
• QC 0.25: Noisier than QC 0.125
• QC 0.125: Noisier than QC 0
• QC 0: The quietest type of aircraft
  
  The QC classification system was introduced in 1993 to encourage the use of quieter aircraft and maximize the number of movements that can take place during the night quota period, which is from 23:30–06:00.

 

[alpha.alpha]

Have the council done this knowing it won’t affect the operations to make them look like they are doing something?

Generated by AI:

The Quota Count (QC) classification system is used at London's Heathrow, Gatwick, and Stansted airports to limit the amount of noise aircraft make at night. The QC classification system is based on noise certification data from measurements taken on aircraft, and aircraft are classified into different QC levels based on their noise data. The QC levels are:

• QC 1: Noisier than QC 0.5
  
  
• QC 0.5: Noisier than QC 0.25
• QC 0.25: Noisier than QC 0.125
• QC 0.125: Noisier than QC 0
• QC 0: The quietest type of aircraft
  
  The QC classification system was introduced in 1993 to encourage the use of quieter aircraft and maximize the number of movements that can take place during the night quota period, which is from 23:30–06:00.

So in terms of which aircraft will it effect?

 

[Aviador]

Have the council done this knowing it won’t affect the operations to make them look like they are doing something?


So in terms of which aircraft will it effect?

It's down to the engine types. For this reason you could have one aircraft with a P&W engine that is maybe considered noisier than a RR engine but as general rule most of the large old aircraft types such as a 767 would be too noisy.