Airport seeks legal clarification on night flying

[quik123]

Could someone explain the enforcement process please. Does the council simply issue a penalty charge (similar to a parking charge) and then expect LBA to either pay or appeal. If so who hears the appeal? Or is it a court case where the evidence is presented before magistrates. Or something else?

 

[Aviador]

Yes wasting money like on that pointless path there constructing up the side of the ring road between rodley and owlcoats, causing traffic misery!

The irony as they have chopped down hundreds of trees to build that new cycle lane that nobody will use. What they should be doing is duelling that stretch of road and building a dedicated footpath over the canel and river. #LeedsCityClowncil

 

[Finger66]

Could not agree more @Aviador. They need to do a traffic, or cycle, census where all cycle lanes are in place. Staff would fall asleep due to lack of activity. But they will never do the census because they are afraid of the truth, in just the same way as they are with LBA

 

[GolfFox]

Could someone explain the enforcement process please. Does the council simply issue a penalty charge (similar to a parking charge) and then expect LBA to either pay or appeal. If so who hears the appeal? Or is it a court case where the evidence is presented before magistrates. Or something else?

I am happy to stand corrected but if there is no appeal and the Council can prove that there is a breach, then they can take the issue to Court for enforcement - not sure which Court but initially low level, where a fine of £2500 can be issued by the Court for that and any subsequent non compliance.

The whole thing is degenerating into farce thanks to LCC who seem to have taken their ball home like a spoilt seven year old ever since LBA announced they were appealing the CLEUD decisions. As above I would expect LBA to continue as they are now using their interpretation of the restrictions and let the legalities play out.

On the face of the information shared on here and the scheduled movements, it would seem that the airport is already compliant with no QC1 departures between 23.00 and 07.00. (733 is apparently QC 0.5 on departure). I must be missing something somewhere - or are LCC really that daft???

The whole thing is degenerating into farce thanks to LCC who seem to have taken their ball home like a spoilt seven year old ever since LBA announced they were appealing the CLEUD decisions. As above I would expect LBA to continue as they are now using their interpretation of the restrictions and let the legalities play out.

On the face of the information shared on here and the scheduled movements, it would seem that the airport is already compliant with no QC1 departures between 23.00 and 07.00. (733 is apparently QC 0.5 on departure). I must be missing something somewhere - or are LCC really that daft???

I don’t think it’s coincidence that LCC have decided to take enforcement action shortly after LBA announced they would appeal. Odd how a year ago such action was declared not to be in the public interest because of the costs involved and now suddenly it is. I suspect some face saving and back covering going on. Meanwhile the potholes in Leeds continue not to be repaired but hey, it’s only Council Tax payers money.

It would be very interesting I am sure if there was a freedom of information request for all communications between they who shall not be named and their associates and LCC/relevant Councillors. I bet that there is a tale to tell there!!

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Seem LCC are in the airports case…. Idiots…LcC are pushing an enforcement case against LBA

BBC News - Airport warned over noisy night flights

Leeds Bradford Airport warned over noisy night flights

Data shows 272 night-time departures breached noise rules, Leeds City Council says.

www.bbc.com

 

[JRP]

BBC News - Airport warned over noisy night flights

Leeds Bradford Airport warned over noisy night flights

Data shows 272 night-time departures breached noise rules, Leeds City Council says.

www.bbc.com

Has Spencer Stokes been banned from LBA reporting? looks like a new reporter, mind you I hear he is the president of the clown group

 

[Len Fish]

Retrospective action only highlights the fact the Council did not enforce the night flying rules for 10 years which is the case LBA will be making at the CLEUD appeals!

 

[LBA4EVER]

The irony as they have chopped down hundreds of trees to build that new cycle lane that nobody will use. What they should be doing is duelling that stretch of road and building a dedicated footpath over the canel and river. #LeedsCityClowncil

Is it a cycle lane or a path there constructing between rodley rb and owlcoats? Hard to tell atm,
Appears to be an extra lane there adding in from horsforth rb to rodley rb from what i can see which is one positive, the whole outer ring road needs to be a least a dual carriageway! The space is there.

 

[Finger66]

Certainly agree with you on that one re the dual carriageway @LBA4EVER

 

[Aviador]

Is it a cycle lane or a path there constructing between rodley rb and owlcoats?

See my post in the Urban & Transport Infrastructure Forum.

 

[alpha.alpha]

YEP have posted an article re the night flight breaches with a lot of people reacting / laughing. The comments which there is a lot are mainly supporting the airport which is great to see. Just a tiny minority of losers that scream and shout because they bought a house near an airport ha.. go protest DSA trying to reopen.. go protest MAN expanding.. go protest something useful. Bunch of idiots

 

[Snackbar]

YEP have posted an article re the night flight breaches with a lot of people reacting / laughing. The comments which there is a lot are mainly supporting the airport which is great to see. Just a tiny minority of losers that scream and shout because they bought a house near an airport ha.. go protest DSA trying to reopen.. go protest MAN expanding.. go protest something useful. Bunch of idiots

I’d urge people to write to their local councillors and make their views know. These people need holding to account for their actions…..

 

[LBAYORKIE]

I’d urge people to write to their local councillors and make their views know. These people need holding to account for their actions…..

I agree, but I bet if you ask in 2 weeks who has made the effort I think you will be lucky to get any positive responses.

 

[Aviador]

I had one of these Leeds City Clowncilors at my door before the election. They don't listen.

 

[JRP]

I had one of these Leeds City Clowncilors at my door before the election. They don't listen.

Am forever writing to my local clowncilour in Armley, I think he must be sick of me by now, but they need to be held accountable and some of the decisions they make in Leeds is horrendous and a 5 year old could do it better

 

[Snackbar]

I had one of these Leeds City Clowncilors at my door before the election. They don't listen.

The think is - you get what you tolerate….if you don’t challenge them you can’t complain if they go with the vocal minority who constantly barrage both MPs and Councillors

 

[The Pole]

Leeds Bradford Airport warned over noisy night flights

Data shows 272 night-time departures breached noise rules, Leeds City Council says.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Len Fish]

So on average around 25 non compliant aircraft a year over the last 11 years. All this not being able to get to sleep or being woken up by an endless stream of noisy aircraft is just made up nonsense by NIMBYs claiming to be concerned environmentalists. They make more noise than the aircraft but unlike the airport they serve no useful purpose other than to waste taxpayer’s money with their constant bitching (if I can use that word) to the authorities.

 

[Finger66]

Very very dillusional the lot of them. Think there are far more important things going on the world and they should actually be very very thankful that the worst thing they have to worry about is the odd (and I mean odd) noisy aeroplane

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Leeds Bradford Airport warned over noisy night flights

Data shows 272 night-time departures breached noise rules, Leeds City Council says.

www.bbc.co.uk

These flights seem to be a bit of a distraction. An average of only about 27 a year.

Very very dillusional the lot of them. Think there are far more important things going on the world and they should actually be very very thankful that the worst thing they have to worry about is the odd (and I mean odd) noisy aeroplane

This is presumably a separate issue to the 747 movements that the council also claim to have been outside the quota limits last year.