It started snowing around 0530 at LBA so 4 hours 30 mins to clear the runway and the glide slope and LBA beacon are inop so I will leave you all to decide how you think the situation is today.

Ok we’ve had quite of bit of snow fall this morning. But I agree it looks like another total mess to me.

How is it that LBA always comes to a grinding halt when other airports manage to keep aircraft moving in similar weather conditions ?

Ey up it must be the LBA way!
 
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It started snowing around 0530 at LBA so 4 hours 30 mins to clear the runway and the glide slope and LBA beacon are inop so I will leave you all to decide how you think the situation is today.

And as the snow stops the high winds start- right across the runway!
 
Ok we’ve had quite of bit of snow fall this morning. But I agree it looks like another total mess to me.

How is it that LBA always comes to a grinding halt when other airports manage to keep aircraft moving in similar weather conditions ?

Ey up it must be the LBA way!
What would you have done differently? From the comfort of their armchair, people always seem to rush to their keyboard to criticise, but seldom offer alternatives
 
And as the snow stops the high winds start- right across the runway!
When I looked at the forecast yesterday the wind was going to be down the runway.

It used to take 20 minutes to do one sweep of the runway. If the snow is still falling then it isn't usually enough.

The snow stopped over an hour ago now and really there is no good reason the airport shouldn't be open now.
 
Update:

Jet2 Boeing 8737-300, G-GDFN has just started up and pushed back operating the EXS3CM to Alicante.

Ryanair Boeing 737-800, EI-EMJ currently sat in the LBA hold at 9,000ft operating the RYR1537 from East Midlands.
The Ryanair from East Midlands was the earlier Dublin. I guess the passengers will be arriving by coach?
 
It started snowing around 0530 at LBA so 4 hours 30 mins to clear the runway and the glide slope and LBA beacon are inop so I will leave you all to decide how you think the situation is today.
Surely success in snow clearing is measured by when it stops snowing, not when it starts? As I type this, an aircraft has just departed 14.
 
When I looked at the forecast yesterday the wind was going to be down the runway.

It used to take 20 minutes to do one sweep of the runway. If the snow is still falling then it isn't usuly enough.

The snow stopped over an hour ago now and really there is no good reason the airport shouldn't be open now.
Sorry but that nonsense. There's 2.2km of runway to clear but there also needs to be an acceptable braking action too, which often takes longer, even after the snow is cleared, especially if the snow is compacted into the grooves on the concrete during brushing. Then there's the taxiways, a very long apron and all walkways used by passengers to clear and ensure they're not slippy. All airport vehicles also need to be able to move around safely so routes up to the fuel farm for example, and catering area, all need to be cleared. Until it actually stops snowing, little progress can be made. There's a lot of people working really hard to get the airport opened safely yet they get nothing but criticism, even here. We can't compare LBA with other airports really as 9 times out of 10, LBA has a lot more snow due to its height . There's at least 4" of it on my driveway and I'm lower than the airport.
 
When I looked at the forecast yesterday the wind was going to be down the runway.

It used to take 20 minutes to do one sweep of the runway. If the snow is still falling then it isn't usually enough.

The snow stopped over an hour ago now and really there is no good reason the airport shouldn't be open now.
Wind forecasted to be from S/SW gusting 45kt.
 
Sorry but that nonsense. There's 2.2km of runway to clear but there also needs to be an acceptable braking action too, which often takes longer, even after the snow is cleared, especially if the snow is compacted into the grooves on the concrete during brushing. Then there's the taxiways, a very long apron and all walkways used by passengers to clear and ensure they're not slippy. All airport vehicles also need to be able to move around safely so routes up to the fuel farm for example, and catering area, all need to be cleared. Until it actually stops snowing, little progress can be made. There's a lot of people working really hard to get the airport opened safely yet they get nothing but criticism, even here. We can't compare LBA with other airports really as 9 times out of 10, LBA has a lot more snow due to its height . There's at least 4" of it on my driveway and I'm lower than the airport.
Not disputing any of that. When I worked there (over a decade ago now) the ramp was the same size. One team would be working on the runway another on the ramp and taxiways.

The runway would take 20min for one sweep. If the snow was still falling one sweep wouldn't be enough (as I said before).

Obviously I'm long out of the loop with regards to how things are done now and the airport's snowplan will have changed no doubt.

I'm sure the staff have been working really hard all morning but do I think it is good enough? No not really.

The forecast was spot on for a change. The warnings were in place. The equipment should've been prepared with sufficient staff to cover.

Whether that was the case I don't know but the snow stopped nearly two hours ago now. It would appear it's melting quicker than they can clear it yet we still have aircraft holding.

Diverted flight diverting again.
 
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Not disputing any of that. When I worked there (over a decade ago now) the ramp was the same size. One team would be working on the runway another on the ramp and taxiways.

The runway would take 20min for one sweep. If the snow was still falling one sweep wouldn't be enough (as I said before).

Obviously I'm long out of the loop with regards to how things are done now and the airport's snowplan will have changed no doubt.

I'm sure the staff have been working really hard all morning but do I think it is good enough? No not really.

The forecast was spot on for a change. The warnings were in place. The equipment should've been prepared with sufficient staff to cover.

Whether that was the case I don't know but the snow stopped nearly two hours ago now. It would appear it's melting quicker than they can clear it yet we still have aircraft holding.
If the snow gets compacted into the grooves on the runway, it's a devil of a job to get it out until it melts or they use lots of very expensive de-icer, which they do, but when it turns to rain, as it has, they may as well pour the de-icer down the drain as it just washes off before it does it's job. The delay in getting the required braking action seems to be very much to do with the type of runway surface we have rather than the failure of the snow clearing team. A tarmac runway wouldn't have this problem.

I'm certain they were ready to go when the snow started, but it did start only half an hour before flights were due to depart and it came down fast. There was a lot to move and progress can only be made when it's stopped. It would seem now that the braking action may be ok for departures but still not good enough for arrivals, and the problem being that they can't do anything on the runway without holding up the departures. So do they let them go and the arrivals have to wait, or get out on the runway again to try and improve the braking action and cause further delays to the departing traffic? It's a no win situation.

It seems to be a regular thing though that when it snows, the airport and it's staff are criticised, with suggestions they should've been ready, and it should be open by now, without anyone really knowing the facts.

Ok you may have a point that they may postpone the on-going runway works due to weather forecast, but the still be no aircraft movements when ATC is not staffed after 23:59
In the past they have agreed to keep ATC open to allow operations to get back to normal on some occasions . Perhaps they will today?
 

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