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Leeds Bradford - General Thread

White Heather

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When I asked LBA management regarding parking stands at LBA and capacity, they stated that they had plans to completely re-mark the existing apron/stands and this could create room for additional aircraft (they didn't say how many). However, they did acknowledge that more stands would be required soon and of course phase 3 of the recently announced infrastructure plan is to build them, in around 2 years time. So for a short term fix, re-marking may work. I thought that in the past we had up to 24 aircraft based at LBA (in the days of Monarch) so on that basis they should just about squeeze them in next summer. One thing is certain - knowing these guys there is no way they would do any deal to take in more based aircraft without being certain they have somewhere to park them.
 

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Reading todays piece on the BBC website about the paraplegic guy dragging himself through arrivals at Luton airport, aren't the owners there own LBA? What is the position regarding equipment that this guy expects at all airports however big or small at LBA?
 

White Heather

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Reading todays piece on the BBC website about the paraplegic guy dragging himself through arrivals at Luton airport, aren't the owners there own LBA? What is the position regarding equipment that this guy expects at all airports however big or small at LBA?
From what they said on the news, LTN offered the guy a wheelchair but he refused it because it wasn't the right type of chair and required someone to push him. It seems it was a matter of principle because he felt that he should be able to move around the airport independently, not being pushed. I think it should be taken into account that the only reason that this happened is because the airline he was flying with had left his own wheelchair behind, so it wasn't available at LTN when he arrived. As far as I am aware, LTN do what most airports do by providing a wheelchair for those that don't have their own and need one. And yes, LTN is now owned by AMP Capital.
 

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Providing an alternative wheelchair, albeit one that needed pushing, would seem reasonable in the circumstances. It was his decision not to accept it and his subsequent protest was misplaced. His real gripe should be with the airline who failed to deliver his custom wheelchair.
I agree. The legislation on accessibility requires organisations to make what are termed 'reasonable adjustments' to assist people with disabilities where required. That applies not only to wheelchairs but to the building itself. It is all about what is 'reasonable'. I think the offer of the chair is reasonable. Surely the gripe should be with the airline for forgetting to load his own wheelchair on board the aircraft and leaving it behind?
 

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Certainly my experience at LBA is that their is never an issue with a wheelchair becoming available.
At the moment the issue is trolleys, now they are free there is never any available, which are vital for families with young children, old and disabled people. I was told by SA staff only 90 trolleys at LBA, no idea whether this is true, but hardly enough to cater for one full 737.
Jet2 staff had to wheel our cases out the baggage hall as no trolleys available, allowing our son then to load on a trolley he had brought in from the car park (in fact he brought 4 together). In fact they were using the high backed wheelchairs as luggage trolleys, the situation so bad.
Its the opposite way in the car park if your part of the early morning rush, no trolleys available.
Maybe bringing back the £2 charge is the answer, certainly £2 well spent in the past for us.
Whilst I accept being independant is important to all of us, I am not sure about the form of protest this guy made a Luton. Airport staff do a great job for the disabled, if the system breaks down, common sense needs to be shown by all. I remember a few years at LBA a guy moaning as he had to be carried up the steps on to the plane, at the time my OH smiled as happened to her on a number of occasions, she was just glad to get on the plane, by whatever means.
During the recent floods in Spain, she had to be carried in to our hotel by hunky fireman, still not removed the smile from her face. Just so grateful we could get to our bed.
 

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I agree. The legislation on accessibility requires organisations to make what are termed 'reasonable adjustments' to assist people with disabilities where required. That applies not only to wheelchairs but to the building itself. It is all about what is 'reasonable'. I think the offer of the chair is reasonable. Surely the gripe should be with the airline for forgetting to load his own wheelchair on board the aircraft and leaving it behind?
I initially felt very sorry for this guy but now I just feel soory for him because his airline, for whatever reason. didn't load his chair so that it was available for him back at LTN. The spectre of him shuffling through the terminal on his backside was a stunt that conveniently benefited from having a camera rolling at the time! We get to know this now although apparently the incident was in August. He is now claiming something or other from the airport. Really. They had no control over his chair not being transported and offered him the assistance as per the regs as I understand it.

I wonder how he got from the aircraft into the terminal? The whole episode, as it is being told to us, pongs a bit. Cynical - moi?
 

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On the TUI thread there was talk of next year not looking so rosy given the end of the Summer TUI base. I thought I'd compare a week in peak-summer 18 to the planned same week in summer 19.

Current peak-Summer 2019 vs 2018 :

RYR: Reduction of 2x flights per week
(Loss of 2x weekly TSF route / PSA and LIG reduce from 3x to 2x weekly / FAO and PMI gain 1x weekly flight to 6x and 7x weekly respectively). Still 3x based aircraft - same as 2018


TCX: Reduction of 2x flights per week
(AYT and DLM operated 2x weekly with TCX aircraft in 2018.
In 2019, Freebird will operate 1x weekly flights to AYT and DLM).


TUI: Loss of base. Reduction of 10x flights per week and a loss of 7 routes.
(2018 had 1x based aircraft operating 14x weekly flights plus Albastar operating to PMI on Sundays.
2019 will have no based aircraft and currently only 1x RHO, 1x CFU, 2x PMI along with Neos operating 1x weekly Verona).


EXS: Increase of 16x flights per week and addition of 3 new routes.
(2018 had 186x weekly flights over 46 routes.
2019 currently showing 202x weekly flights over 49x routes.
- Loss of 2x weekly SXF
- Reduction of flights to IBZ from 10x to 9x weekly.
- New routes KRK, BOJ (2x weekly) and ADB, CHQ (1x weekly)
- Increase of flights to EGC, SPU, FAO, ZTH, FUE, MAH (extra 1x weekly), PMI (extra 2x weekly), ALC (extra 5x weekly)
 

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