alpha.alpha
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- Feb 27, 2011
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Why don't the Council just give the 2500 fine LBA pay it every year and have it done with put it to bed. Like everyone including the council states.. its not in the public interest.
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Or better still, just create a new quota system based on the already approved, albeit now defunct new terminal night flying addendum. A new system that takes into account new aircraft types, and a system that encourages those newer aircraft types. Surely that would be the best way forward than the current impasse which is only going to make both parties look bad in the public eye.Why don't the Council just give the 2500 fine LBA pay it every year and have it done with put it to bed. Like everyone including the council states.. its not in the public interest.
And of course, the problem is that with regard to the exemption of QC0.25 aircraft, LBA do not consider themselves guilty.So LCC take LBA to court for the alleged breach, LBA simply plead guilty, are fined and pay the fine. No need for expensive lawyers on either side. I agree though that it makes a mockery of the situation, which needs a common sense settlement in the light of aviation technology today, not how it was yonks ago. Unfortunately common sense and LCC do not sit comfortably together.
All well and good but no way should DSA get back the disproportionate amount of airspace it had previously. The writers take a very simplistic view and pay no heed to the impact on surrounding airports nor the Government backed Airspace Review.Relevant to WH's last ACC report
Business community calls on Government to resolve Doncaster airport airspace issue
Key figures of South Yorkshire’s business community have called on the Government for an urgent resolution to the issue of airspace at Doncaster Sheffield Airport.www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk
All well and good but no way should DSA get back the disproportionate amount of airspace it had previously. The writers take a very simplistic view and pay no heed to the impact on surrounding airports nor the Government backed Airspace Review
Or to the fact that there is no ATC unit in place to control it. The horse has to come before the cart!
Does this mean potential DSA airspace being controlled from a position at LBA Radar or have I misunderstood?I understand from the latest round of terminal development and the masterplan that a similar option is being explored for LBA.
In theory yes, but if there is no operational airport and. I commercial traffic the stakeholders (I.e other airspace users) would have a good case to challenge. Exception to this of course is if LBA was once again able to utilise the CTA for CDA as they’d more than likely support such a move. However certainly lower level there is no argument for re-activating the airspace until such a time that the airport is at least open for business.Doncaster airspace was controlled from Liverpool(only VCR at Don) so could probably be re-established fairly quickly and certainly with or without the airport been actually operational.
I've been trying to find the source of what I'd seen to confirm it, but what I understand is radar ops could in theory be carried out by a third party in the same way that it was at DSA before it closed. This doesn't mean it will happen, nor does it mean this was what was meant, but that was my interpretation.Does this mean potential DSA airspace being controlled from a position at LBA Radar or have I misunderstood?
Not really a 3rd party at DSA. Peel owned both Don and Liverpool when the service was set up so it was easy for them to share the resources and not employ any radar controllers at Don. In theory it would be possible for Don, LBA or others to be controlled from one place but in practice it would be nigh on impossible to come to commercially agreeable terms. Example, LBA might want to control Don airspace and it would make a case for them to expand their radar room and employ more controllers. But would the new operators of Don want to pay for this or pay Liverpool to continue as before, or indeed set up their own radar service. When LBA was bought by AMP it was rumoured at the time that Newcastle and LBA could share radar control services (both owned or part owned by AMP) but of course it never happened.I've been trying to find the source of what I'd seen to confirm it, but what I understand is radar ops could in theory be carried out by a third party in the same way that it was at DSA before it closed. This doesn't mean it will happen, nor does it mean this was what was meant, but that was my interpretation.
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