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Boeing's newest jet more than a dream
A company engineer says the 787 Dreamliner will revolutionize flying.
Boeing's 787 Dreamliner is changing the way commercial aircraft are designed, built, flown and maintained, and the jet will provide a unique experience for passengers, a Boeing Co. engineer said Wednesday.
Julie Rieffel, a strength engineer on the 787 program with Boeing's commercial support division in St. Louis, said the Dreamliner will provide better value for airlines and a better experience for passengers.
A 2000 aeronautical engineering graduate of the University of Missouri at Rolla, Rieffel spoke to about 50 people at the Engineer's Week Luncheon at the Tulsa Country Club. The event was hosted by the American Society of Civil Engineers and the Tulsa Engineering Foundation.
"Boeing took the opportunity to erase the drawing board, start fresh and use modern technologies that hadn't been used on any other aircraft, especially composite technologies," Rieffel said. "The 787 will have lower operating costs; it is 20 percent more fuel efficient per passenger seat mile. It will have lower landing fees because it is lighter.
"It will have lower maintenance costs because there will be longer times between maintenance" as a result of new, automatic electronic maintenance checks. The automatic electronic sensors, which are in use in some automobiles, will give the Dreamliner 52 additional flying days in the first 12 years in service, Rieffel said.
Boeing is preparing to launch three 787 models:
The 210- to 250-passenger 787-8, which passed its first flight test Dec. 15 and the first delivery of which is scheduled for the fourth quarter.
The 250- to 290-passenger 787-9, a stretch model of the 787-8, the first delivery of which is scheduled for late-2013.
The 290- to 330-passenger 787-3, which is a larger plane designed for regional transport, especially in Asia.
The 787-9 and the 787-3 are still in the design stages, Rieffel said.
The 787 is the world's first commercial aircraft to be designed and manufactured globally by Boeing and 50 international manufacturing partners, ranging from Japan and Italy to Tulsa.
Spirit AeroSystems Inc. in Tulsa, among the pioneers of lightweight composite materials in aircraft construction, is fabricating 2,100 pounds of composite wing leading edges and 1,700 pounds of movable wing leading edges for the 787.
The composites are fashioned by applying with adhesives repeated paper-thin layers of such materials as carbon fibers, Kevlar, boron and graphite. The resulting material is stronger than steel and lighter than aluminum, industry officials say.
NORDAM Group in Tulsa is fabricating the 787's composite window frames.
The 787's window frame is significant because it offers low density and high strength at a 50 percent weight savings and has superior damage tolerance, NORDAM executives say.
"The windows are 65 percent bigger than other aircraft, and they are without shades," Rieffel said. "They are electronically dimmed."
The twin-aisle 787's cabin will feature brighter, indirect lighting that is more energy efficient, a higher ceiling and redesigned luggage bins that create an interior environment unlike any other commercial aircraft, Rieffel said.
"There is more headroom, leading people to feel they are in a bigger space, giving a more pleasant feel to the aircraft," she said. "We will be pressurizing the aircraft to a lower altitude — 6,000 versus 8,000 feet — so that problems people have with headaches and fatigue will go away."
Flying faster, farther, quieter and with fewer emissions of carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, hydrocarbons, smoke and carbon monoxide, the 787 will be a dream for airlines and airport neighbors, especially in Europe, where airports are nestled among close-in residential areas, the Boeing engineer said.
The 787, which has a range of up to 9,430 miles, is the fastest-selling commercial aircraft Boeing has ever produced, with more than 900 orders from 56 customers, including Continental Airlines, Air Canada, British Airways, Japan Airlines, Qantas, Avianca and Virgin Atlantic.
Rieffel said the economic downtown and the slump in the airline industry has dampened the enthusiasm for the 787 among U.S. carriers — at least for now.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at Source
A company engineer says the 787 Dreamliner will revolutionize flying.
Boeing's 787 Dreamliner is changing the way commercial aircraft are designed, built, flown and maintained, and the jet will provide a unique experience for passengers, a Boeing Co. engineer said Wednesday.
Julie Rieffel, a strength engineer on the 787 program with Boeing's commercial support division in St. Louis, said the Dreamliner will provide better value for airlines and a better experience for passengers.
A 2000 aeronautical engineering graduate of the University of Missouri at Rolla, Rieffel spoke to about 50 people at the Engineer's Week Luncheon at the Tulsa Country Club. The event was hosted by the American Society of Civil Engineers and the Tulsa Engineering Foundation.
"Boeing took the opportunity to erase the drawing board, start fresh and use modern technologies that hadn't been used on any other aircraft, especially composite technologies," Rieffel said. "The 787 will have lower operating costs; it is 20 percent more fuel efficient per passenger seat mile. It will have lower landing fees because it is lighter.
"It will have lower maintenance costs because there will be longer times between maintenance" as a result of new, automatic electronic maintenance checks. The automatic electronic sensors, which are in use in some automobiles, will give the Dreamliner 52 additional flying days in the first 12 years in service, Rieffel said.
Boeing is preparing to launch three 787 models:
The 210- to 250-passenger 787-8, which passed its first flight test Dec. 15 and the first delivery of which is scheduled for the fourth quarter.
The 250- to 290-passenger 787-9, a stretch model of the 787-8, the first delivery of which is scheduled for late-2013.
The 290- to 330-passenger 787-3, which is a larger plane designed for regional transport, especially in Asia.
The 787-9 and the 787-3 are still in the design stages, Rieffel said.
The 787 is the world's first commercial aircraft to be designed and manufactured globally by Boeing and 50 international manufacturing partners, ranging from Japan and Italy to Tulsa.
Spirit AeroSystems Inc. in Tulsa, among the pioneers of lightweight composite materials in aircraft construction, is fabricating 2,100 pounds of composite wing leading edges and 1,700 pounds of movable wing leading edges for the 787.
The composites are fashioned by applying with adhesives repeated paper-thin layers of such materials as carbon fibers, Kevlar, boron and graphite. The resulting material is stronger than steel and lighter than aluminum, industry officials say.
NORDAM Group in Tulsa is fabricating the 787's composite window frames.
The 787's window frame is significant because it offers low density and high strength at a 50 percent weight savings and has superior damage tolerance, NORDAM executives say.
"The windows are 65 percent bigger than other aircraft, and they are without shades," Rieffel said. "They are electronically dimmed."
The twin-aisle 787's cabin will feature brighter, indirect lighting that is more energy efficient, a higher ceiling and redesigned luggage bins that create an interior environment unlike any other commercial aircraft, Rieffel said.
"There is more headroom, leading people to feel they are in a bigger space, giving a more pleasant feel to the aircraft," she said. "We will be pressurizing the aircraft to a lower altitude — 6,000 versus 8,000 feet — so that problems people have with headaches and fatigue will go away."
Flying faster, farther, quieter and with fewer emissions of carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, hydrocarbons, smoke and carbon monoxide, the 787 will be a dream for airlines and airport neighbors, especially in Europe, where airports are nestled among close-in residential areas, the Boeing engineer said.
The 787, which has a range of up to 9,430 miles, is the fastest-selling commercial aircraft Boeing has ever produced, with more than 900 orders from 56 customers, including Continental Airlines, Air Canada, British Airways, Japan Airlines, Qantas, Avianca and Virgin Atlantic.
Rieffel said the economic downtown and the slump in the airline industry has dampened the enthusiasm for the 787 among U.S. carriers — at least for now.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at Source
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United Airlines has announced plans to buy 25 new Boeing 787 with an option to buy 50 more. The order is worth around $4.2 billion to Boeing.
These new Boeing 787 really do seem to be a great attraction for airlines, and i for one welcome them, as they are able to run long haul flights full of `shorter` runways such as BRS and possibly LBA. I know TOM plan to operate SFB and CUN from BRS by 2012 using the B787.
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I expect the A350 will offer more flexibility than the 787 and the delays with the Boeing 787 will only help Airbus. In any case it will be good to get this particular gap in the market filled. There must be numerous airports around the world that will be made accessible with these aircraft.
Boeing demonstrate how tinted windows will work on new Dreamliner: http://www.boeing.com/Features/2010/06/ ... 01_10.html
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By coincidence I just finished reading a thread on the Dried Plum regarding passengers' seat preferences and one poster has just brought up the old chestnut about having to close window blinds on night flights or if the majority of passengers want to watch a film.
Some people (I'm one) have no interest in in-flight entertainment but much prefer to sit at a window watching the outside world even if it's cloudy below or dark. I'm also unable to sleep on aircraft.
But such passengers are often ordered by cabin crew to close their blinds so that others might sleep or watch the telly screens even if it's light outside but night time according to the body clocks of those on board.
I know of a person who is claustrophobic and can only get by in the air if she is able to sit by a window to view the outside, even if it's dark.
It seems from what she tells me that some cabin crew are unable to relate to this or if they are have no sympathy.
She is a fairly regular long distance traveller, of necessity, and has had some unpleasant experiences made worse by the jobsworth attitude of some cabin crew.
Although the new Boeing initiative will give passengers control over the window light, it will also give cabin crew the means to override individual windows or the entire aircraft so in one press of a button the entire aircraft window system could be blacked out.
A passenger couldn't even peak around the edge as it's possible to do with blinds, even though many cabin crews discourage even this if they have ordered a complete blackout.
Some people (I'm one) have no interest in in-flight entertainment but much prefer to sit at a window watching the outside world even if it's cloudy below or dark. I'm also unable to sleep on aircraft.
But such passengers are often ordered by cabin crew to close their blinds so that others might sleep or watch the telly screens even if it's light outside but night time according to the body clocks of those on board.
I know of a person who is claustrophobic and can only get by in the air if she is able to sit by a window to view the outside, even if it's dark.
It seems from what she tells me that some cabin crew are unable to relate to this or if they are have no sympathy.
She is a fairly regular long distance traveller, of necessity, and has had some unpleasant experiences made worse by the jobsworth attitude of some cabin crew.
Although the new Boeing initiative will give passengers control over the window light, it will also give cabin crew the means to override individual windows or the entire aircraft so in one press of a button the entire aircraft window system could be blacked out.
A passenger couldn't even peak around the edge as it's possible to do with blinds, even though many cabin crews discourage even this if they have ordered a complete blackout.
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[textarea]Boeing working on 777, 787 aircraft deals
Boeing is working on deals to sell 777 and 787 long-haul aircraft to a number of airlines but does not see a decisive rebound in wide-body
demand until 2012, Jim Albaugh, chief executive of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, said on Monday.
While there were significant increases in air traffic in the first quarter, he is less optimistic than airline association IATA, which is expected to predict the industry will make a surprise profit in 2010, he said.
"I continue to see airlines returning to profitability in 2011, and 2012 will be the year we see them really stepping up to wide-body orders," Albaugh said.
Boeing is reviewing whether to increase production of its top-selling narrow-body 737 aircraft but will not be rushed into taking a decision on whether to upgrade or redesign the planes as Airbus is expected to do for its A320 family, he added.
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Boeing is working on deals to sell 777 and 787 long-haul aircraft to a number of airlines but does not see a decisive rebound in wide-body
demand until 2012, Jim Albaugh, chief executive of Boeing Commercial Airplanes, said on Monday.
While there were significant increases in air traffic in the first quarter, he is less optimistic than airline association IATA, which is expected to predict the industry will make a surprise profit in 2010, he said.
"I continue to see airlines returning to profitability in 2011, and 2012 will be the year we see them really stepping up to wide-body orders," Albaugh said.
Boeing is reviewing whether to increase production of its top-selling narrow-body 737 aircraft but will not be rushed into taking a decision on whether to upgrade or redesign the planes as Airbus is expected to do for its A320 family, he added.
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[textarea]Boeing reveals stretched 747 superjumbo rival
Boeing has unveiled its new 747-8 Intercontinental plane, the latest version of an historic aircraft and a competitive response to the Airbus A380 superjumbo. The 747-8 will seat 400 to 500 passengers.
At a ceremony on Sunday, about 10,000 people gathered in Everett, Washington State, for the 747-8 unveiling. The company said: ‘As the only airplane in the 400 to 500-seat market, the 747-8 Intercontinental will give operators an airplane perfectly suited for long, heavily travelled routes around the world.'
Boeing said the 747-8 will have 12% lower costs - offering the lowest seat-mile cost of any large commercial jetliner - and 16% better fuel economy than its predecessor, the 747-400. This will cut its emissions. It will also be quieter than previous 747's.
The aircraft also incorporates interior features from the much delayed 787, including a curved, upswept architecture, ‘giving passengers a greater feeling of space and comfort, while adding more room for personal belongings.' Pictures and videos are available on the Boeing website.
Lufthansa is the launch customer for the aircraft, with the first delivery scheduled for the fourth quarter. Lufthansa also flies the A380, which it configures the A380 with 526 seats.
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[textarea]Boeing reveals stretched 747 superjumbo rival
Boeing has unveiled its new 747-8 Intercontinental plane, the latest version of an historic aircraft and a competitive response to the Airbus A380 superjumbo. The 747-8 will seat 400 to 500 passengers.
At a ceremony on Sunday, about 10,000 people gathered in Everett, Washington State, for the 747-8 unveiling. The company said: ‘As the only airplane in the 400 to 500-seat market, the 747-8 Intercontinental will give operators an airplane perfectly suited for long, heavily travelled routes around the world.'
Boeing said the 747-8 will have 12% lower costs - offering the lowest seat-mile cost of any large commercial jetliner - and 16% better fuel economy than its predecessor, the 747-400. This will cut its emissions. It will also be quieter than previous 747's.
The aircraft also incorporates interior features from the much delayed 787, including a curved, upswept architecture, ‘giving passengers a greater feeling of space and comfort, while adding more room for personal belongings.' Pictures and videos are available on the Boeing website.
Lufthansa is the launch customer for the aircraft, with the first delivery scheduled for the fourth quarter. Lufthansa also flies the A380, which it configures the A380 with 526 seats.
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US authorities have issued an airworthiness directive this week because of the decompression incident on a Southwest Airlines aircraft.
Boeing has distributed a service bulletin.
The directive affects Boeing 737-300s, 400s and 500s that have completed more than 30,000 take-offs and landings.
The Boeing service bulletin outlines the checks required Boeing PDF document
Boeing has distributed a service bulletin.
The directive affects Boeing 737-300s, 400s and 500s that have completed more than 30,000 take-offs and landings.
The Boeing service bulletin outlines the checks required Boeing PDF document
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From what I read on Ceefax, this incident involved the fuselage of a 733 partially bursting open, causing decompression. It sounds very much like a less serious version of what happened to the Aloha Airlines 737-200 in the 1980's, when the entire forward section of the fuselage literally blew away mid-flight, taking a very unfortunately stewardess with it. Older members will remember the incident, and it was amazing that the aircraft actually managed to land with a quarter of the aircraft 'open air'. This latest incident wasn't on that scale, but it sounds similar, and just like the Aloha, they are ordering checks on airframes that have done a lot of landings and take offs. According to Ceefax, BMi Baby have several aircraft that are now to be subjected to additional maintenance checks, but there are probably other airlines too.
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[textarea]Virgin will want compensation for Dreamliner delays
Virgin Atlantic founder and President, Sir Richard Branson, has said it is likely that the airline will be seeking compensation from Boeing over delivery delays on the 787 Dreamliner. Sir Richard said the constant delays had been a nightmare and that unfortunately the airline would be talking to the manufacturer about compensation for those delays.
Last month, Boeing said the first Dreamliners would be in service by the third quarter. Virgin Atlantic has 15 planes on order in a deal that is estimated to be worth $2.74 billion. Delivery of the fuel efficient jets has been hampered by a series of problems with production, design and flight testing.
According to Jim McNerney, chairman and chief executive at Boeing, the delivery schedule is unlikely to be affected by work which is currently being done on the aircraft. He said that testing on the aircraft fitted with Rolls-Royce engines was 95 percent complete and testing on those fitted with General Electric engines was 75 percent complete.
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Virgin Atlantic founder and President, Sir Richard Branson, has said it is likely that the airline will be seeking compensation from Boeing over delivery delays on the 787 Dreamliner. Sir Richard said the constant delays had been a nightmare and that unfortunately the airline would be talking to the manufacturer about compensation for those delays.
Last month, Boeing said the first Dreamliners would be in service by the third quarter. Virgin Atlantic has 15 planes on order in a deal that is estimated to be worth $2.74 billion. Delivery of the fuel efficient jets has been hampered by a series of problems with production, design and flight testing.
According to Jim McNerney, chairman and chief executive at Boeing, the delivery schedule is unlikely to be affected by work which is currently being done on the aircraft. He said that testing on the aircraft fitted with Rolls-Royce engines was 95 percent complete and testing on those fitted with General Electric engines was 75 percent complete.
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Have any airlines actually received a delivery of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner yet? This fiasco seems to have been going on for years now with delay after delay.
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No airline deliveries yet.
I think that TOM are still hoping some of their's might appear early next year but I doubt that many people would put serious money on it.
I think that TOM are still hoping some of their's might appear early next year but I doubt that many people would put serious money on it.
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Boeing Launches the 737 MAX
Boeing has announced that it will redesign the Boeing 737NG series 700, 800 & 900 family of aircraft instead of making an all brand new replacement aircraft to compete with the new new Airbus A320NEO family of Aircraft.
Boeing has also confirmed that it has already received 496 orders so far for the new airplanes from five diffrent airlines...
Source: http://boeingblogs.com/randy/
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Boeing has announced that it will redesign the Boeing 737NG series 700, 800 & 900 family of aircraft instead of making an all brand new replacement aircraft to compete with the new new Airbus A320NEO family of Aircraft.
Boeing has also confirmed that it has already received 496 orders so far for the new airplanes from five diffrent airlines...
Source: http://boeingblogs.com/randy/
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Meet the MAX
It may have been one of the best kept secrets in Boeing history. I’m still amazed we managed to keep the name 737 MAX under wraps until our official unveiling at today’s press conference. The members of our new family of aircraft, the 737 MAX 7, 737 MAX 8 and 737 MAX 9 (for the record, there’s no dash), made their debut. While the name MAX and the new Boeing livery are grabbing headlines, it’s the performance we expect from this airplane that has me excited.
The 737 MAX is unveiled at today’s press conference
We’re offering our customers an airplane that will have a 7% lower operating cost than the A320 neo. The 737 MAX’s fuel burn is also expected be 16% lower than what the competition is offering right now— and 4% lower than what they’ll be selling in a few years.
Combine the MAX fuel savings with MAX reliability and MAX passenger appeal with the Boeing Sky Interior—and you have a triple threat that simply won’t be beat in its single-aisle market segment.
Posing with the newest member of our airplane family.
An interview inside the 737 Boeing Sky Interior mockup with aviation reporter Glenn Farley from Seattle’s KING 5 TV.
The 737 MAX 9.
Today’s Next-Generation 737 is already heads above the competition and getting better almost every day. With the 737 MAX, we’ve set the bar much higher. Order commitments for 496 airplanes from five airlines speak louder than any words today.
A 737 MAX family portrait.
By the way, the name 737 MAX has definitely created a buzz out there in the world of social media. It reminds me of the feedback we got after unveiling the new livery for the 747-8 Intercontinental. While some people loved the Sunrise red and orange colors, others wished we’d stuck to something more traditional. So, here’s your chance to weigh in on the MAX—the name, the livery, the performance benefits, its market position—whatever you like. Feel free to leave your thoughts in our comments section below, and also check out a video I took part in showcasing our new family member.
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Re: Boeing Launches the 737 MAX
I hope it isn't a flop like other brands using the word max like Pepsi MAX. :blush:
It's all fine and dandy bulling up the 737-MAX as a better and more efficient aircraft over the Airbus Neo but if the 737-MAX is subject to the same kind of delays as the Boeing Dreamliner, the 787, potential buyers will go for the Airbus Neo.
I hope it isn't a flop like other brands using the word max like Pepsi MAX. :blush:
It's all fine and dandy bulling up the 737-MAX as a better and more efficient aircraft over the Airbus Neo but if the 737-MAX is subject to the same kind of delays as the Boeing Dreamliner, the 787, potential buyers will go for the Airbus Neo.
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Re: Boeing Launches the 737 MAX
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i_kKD6g53AA[/video]
The 737MAX video introduction.
It seems that boeing have forecast design and delivery of the aircraft to be 2017, which is some 6 yrs away. A long time to retrofit a new engine to the aircraft along with a slightly landing gear and to add a few 787 touches the aircraft. Boeing really need to get this moving as if they don't potential customers will choose the A320 NEO over the max and they will lose out to airbus yet again, just like the 747-8 loosing out to the A380.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i_kKD6g53AA[/video]
The 737MAX video introduction.
It seems that boeing have forecast design and delivery of the aircraft to be 2017, which is some 6 yrs away. A long time to retrofit a new engine to the aircraft along with a slightly landing gear and to add a few 787 touches the aircraft. Boeing really need to get this moving as if they don't potential customers will choose the A320 NEO over the max and they will lose out to airbus yet again, just like the 747-8 loosing out to the A380.
Re: Boeing Launches the 737 MAX
I think the reason for the date Concorde Lover, is the fact that Boeing have an extraordinarily long back-log of deliveries.
I agree, that Airbus seem to be 'in-gear' a lot more than Boeing and that’s a shame. The B777 has a long back-log and so does the Boeing 737NG Family. I suspect they couldn't handle the pressure, of which they shouldn't have for a huge aircraft manufacturer, and this subsequently delayed the B787 Programme.
They have just started to get everything sorted and the B747-8I is finally starting to make its way onto the production line.
Unfortunately because the A320NEO programme will deliver aircraft in 2016(?), I can realistically see Boeing aiming for this as well, but can also see it being put back to 2018....
I think the reason for the date Concorde Lover, is the fact that Boeing have an extraordinarily long back-log of deliveries.
I agree, that Airbus seem to be 'in-gear' a lot more than Boeing and that’s a shame. The B777 has a long back-log and so does the Boeing 737NG Family. I suspect they couldn't handle the pressure, of which they shouldn't have for a huge aircraft manufacturer, and this subsequently delayed the B787 Programme.
They have just started to get everything sorted and the B747-8I is finally starting to make its way onto the production line.
Unfortunately because the A320NEO programme will deliver aircraft in 2016(?), I can realistically see Boeing aiming for this as well, but can also see it being put back to 2018....
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[textarea]Ryanair wants big savings from new Boeing 737
Ryanair will only be interested in buying Boeing's 737 MAX plane if the upgraded narrow body jet offers ‘material’ fuel savings, Reuters reports that its Finance Director Howard Millar said. Ryanair, Boeing's biggest customer outside the US, would have preferred Boeing to offer a completely new aircraft rather than an upgrade to the existing model, he said.
Boeing has announced plans to upgrade its best-selling passenger jet to match a project by rival Airbus to put new engines on its competing A320. Mr Millar said on the sidelines of an ISTAT air finance conference: ‘I don't know anything about it, neither the size nor the weight. Boeing have said they will produce this information in October or November.'
Asked what gains in efficiency it would take for Ryanair to buy the upgraded 737 MAX, he said, ‘It has to be material, somewhere near 10 percent.’ There is no timeline for future Ryanair aircraft purchases, he added.
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Ryanair will only be interested in buying Boeing's 737 MAX plane if the upgraded narrow body jet offers ‘material’ fuel savings, Reuters reports that its Finance Director Howard Millar said. Ryanair, Boeing's biggest customer outside the US, would have preferred Boeing to offer a completely new aircraft rather than an upgrade to the existing model, he said.
Boeing has announced plans to upgrade its best-selling passenger jet to match a project by rival Airbus to put new engines on its competing A320. Mr Millar said on the sidelines of an ISTAT air finance conference: ‘I don't know anything about it, neither the size nor the weight. Boeing have said they will produce this information in October or November.'
Asked what gains in efficiency it would take for Ryanair to buy the upgraded 737 MAX, he said, ‘It has to be material, somewhere near 10 percent.’ There is no timeline for future Ryanair aircraft purchases, he added.
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