TUI Airways

[Jerry]

G-TUIM a 787 8 and G-TUIH a 787 9 both on the ground at the same time.

 

[superking]

G TUIH is a 787 8 G TUIM is a 787 9. With out looking and memory G TUIM is about been 4 months in service. I think the last 787 series that has been delivered up till now.
G TUIM delivered in may this year.As I said their latest 787.

 

[Jerry]

Got them the wrong way round!

 

[Jerry]

Cancun

Gone direct again today - overhead Bude in north Cornwall.

Interestingly the aircraft is a Boeing 787-9, G-TUIM. I guess the outbound is lightly loaded as I believe it's the last outbound of the season. It's probably replacing the Sanford aircraft which is heavily delayed on its return. Not expected until 2230 instead of the scheduled 0530.

According to a poster on Bristol Airport spotting part the BRS-CUN flight had 78 passengers onboard.

 

[Marko1]

It must be end of the season now isn't it ?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

According to a poster on Bristol Airport spotting part the BRS-CUN flight had 78 passengers onboard.

It must be end of the season now isn't it ?

No more flights either way until next spring according to the TUI timetable so I don't know what the 78 passengers will do. Come back some other way I suppose unless they are Mexico-based which is probably unlikely.

It could be of course that next weekend will see the last CUN-BRS sector of the season but no outbound, and for whatever reason TUI is not advertising it - perhaps because it's full.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

Normally even if the flight is full it would still show on the timetable section on TUI's website. It could be that travel agents have been able to tailor the flight as outbound from BRS and return to another Airport. Or people have booked one way flight only bookings and a separate return flight to elsewhere. Usually around this time of years, the outbound flights from the UK position empty to bring people back and are never put on sale.
Looking at SFB, there's no outbound flight only options available for the rest of this season but the return flight next Friday is showing on the timetable section.

 

[alphagolf]

Normally even if the flight is full it would still show on the timetable section on TUI's website. It could be that travel agents have been able to tailor the flight as outbound from BRS and return to another Airport. Or people have booked one way flight only bookings and a separate return flight to elsewhere. Usually around this time of years, the outbound flights from the UK position empty to bring people back and are never put on sale.
Looking at SFB, there's no outbound flight only options available for the rest of this season but the return flight next Friday is showing on the timetable section.

I would suggest the 787 will operate as normal next week. Cape Verde on Wednesday, Punta Cana on Thursday, Sanford Friday and Cancun Saturday. All outbounds and inbounds are recorded on FR24 for next week. The outbounds will be going out empty and returning with the last pax of the season.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I would suggest the 787 will operate as normal next week. Cape Verde on Wednesday, Punta Cana on Thursday, Sanford Friday and Cancun Saturday. All outbounds and inbounds are recorded on FR24 for next week. The outbounds will be going out empty and returning with the last pax of the season.

I presume the Cape Verde route will revert to a B757 for the winter - with no Mayflys (apparently a victim of the digital problems affecting the airport) it's not easy to ascertain.

 

[big g]

Correct the first Cape Verde on the 757 is this Saturday.

 

[alphagolf]

Correct the first Cape Verde on the 757 is this Saturday.

According to the Tui Flights timetable Sal flights continue to operate on a Wednesday and also next Wednesday 31st the outbound is operated by a 787 and a return on the 7th November is also noted as a 787 on the booking page.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

August 2018

CAA stats at long last have been published today and the average loads on the routes operated by the B787-8 are as below:

Cape Verde (Sal): 2829 passengers; 10 sectors; average load 282.9
Punta Cana: 2784 passengers; 10 sectors; average load 278.4
Orlando Sanford: 2541 passengers; 9 sectors*; average load 282.3
Cancun: 2258 passengers; 8 sectors; average load 282.3

* the last outbound Friday flight in August returned the following morning on 1 September per schedule

I'm not sure of the number of seats available on each flight so cannot establish load factors. Wiki's TUI page shows 300 seats for their Boeing 787-8 aircraft but Seat Guru indicates 288 seats. On top of that we have been told that some seats have been blocked off for operational reasons but it's not clear exactly how many or whether the reduction has been from 300 seats or 288 seats.

Whichever it is all the flights seem to have operated at near maximum capacity which TUI would no doubt expect in August.

 

[Marko1]

Punta Cana has had some good loads all summer. Surprised it has been dropped for next summer. Incidentally it will be interesting to see what is planned for winter 19/20. Given the 757 will have gone , I wonder what aircraft would operate to sal during the winter season and also could we see a long haul winter programme ?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Punta Cana has had some good loads all summer. Surprised it has been dropped for next summer. Incidentally it will be interesting to see what is planned for winter 19/20. Given the 757 will have gone , I wonder what aircraft would operate to sal during the winter season and also could we see a long haul winter programme ?

Even closer to home is summer 2019. If the two 757s are replaced by two 738s whether MAX8 or standard aircraft, that will mean a considerable reduction in seats, only very lightly redressed by the 787-8s operating one of the Dubrovnik and one of the Larnaca rotations each week next summer.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Further to my previous post, does anyone know if there has been any indication of the current 738-rated pilots' pool at BRS being increased next summer or would the 757 pilots be re-rated?

There were rumours that when the two 757s finally left the base they would be replaced by three 738s to add to the two 738s already based at BRS. The TUI timetable doesn't seem to suggest they will need five aircraft (leaving aside the 787-8 which will have four long-haul and two short-haul route duties next summer).

 

[Foxlimayankee]

I don't think the 787 is crewed by BRS based pilots, so it could be that they create a small 787 pilot base which can then be utilised through the regional flying bases for the winter long haul flying (CWL/BOH/BHX etc) or they can transfer to the 737. Given that the 757 is gradually being phased out by most Airlines, it would make sense for pilots to get rerated rather than try finding other 757 work elsewhere.
TUI's 787-800's have 300 seats. Only CUN is capped.

There are some 757 pilots from Wales that transferred to BRS when the CWL 757/767 base closed. So they could return to CWL on the 737 given the 3rd aircraft there, however it's winter flying work that could be an issue.

 

[737 400]

For long haul flights from BRS the TUI 787's normally position from elsewhere in the UK . I would imagine that they are crewed by either MAN or LGW based crews.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I don't think the 787 is crewed by BRS based pilots, so it could be that they create a small 787 pilot base which can then be utilised through the regional flying bases for the winter long haul flying (CWL/BOH/BHX etc) or they can transfer to the 737. Given that the 757 is gradually being phased out by most Airlines, it would make sense for pilots to get rerated rather than try finding other 757 work elsewhere.
TUI's 787-800's have 300 seats. Only CUN is capped.

There are some 757 pilots from Wales that transferred to BRS when the CWL 757/767 base closed. So they could return to CWL on the 737 given the 3rd aircraft there, however it's winter flying work that could be an issue.

I don't know whether it's been confirmed that both 757s will not be at BRS next summer - a poster in this forum who is usually well informed said a few weeks ago that would be the case. I was really wondering where the additional 738 pilots would come from in that situation when BRS would become a four-aircraft 738 base in summer 2019. From what you say the first port of call might well be rerating of at least some of the 738 pilots, assuming the pilots are happy with that.

Interesting that Cancun is seat-capped yet TUI will operate that route twice weekly next summer with Punta Cana axed. Presumably the yield is better on CUN even with fewer available seats.

For long haul flights from BRS the TUI 787's normally position from elsewhere in the UK . I would imagine that they are crewed by either MAN or LGW based crews.

Looking at Mayfly last summer, the 787-8 positioned in from Manchester on Wednesday mornings, then operated Sal (Wednesdays), Punta Cana (Thursdays), Sanford (Fridays) and Cancun (Saturdays) before positioning to NCL on Sunday mornings after returning from CUN.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

TUI showing routes to Keflavik and Dalaman next winter.

https://www.tui.co.uk/press/tui-int...os-cabos-as-it-announces-winter-19-programme/

 

[superking]

Surprised with Dalaman in winter.I wonder what weather is like around Dalaman.I have driven through Turkey many times on way to Middle east with a truck,and parts I have driven through have been bleak with lots of snow and very low tempertures.Perhaps TUI looking at ski rather than bucket and spade.