TUI Airways

[TheLocalYokel]

There will be 1, possibly 2 757s at BRS, 1 ASL at CWL and 3 Olympus A321s at BHX/MAN
All will only be sold to 189 as per TUI 737s

Re Foxlimayankee's post (above) originally in the CWL TUI thread, at first glance it appears odd that TUI would leave 30-odd seats unsold on each flight unless there were operational constraints which there are clearly aren't at BRS with the TUI B757s as they've been operating from there for decades.

I wonder if the reason is that they are playing safe in case the 738 MAXs return to flying sometime during the summer season thus making available the B738s that were apparently planned for BRS this summer; therefore they would not want to sell say 200 seats on a 757 if when the time came for the flight to be operated it had reverted to the originally planned 738.

I'm not sure if the TUI B757s are all owned by the airline. If not, any of those 757s scheduled for withdrawal prior to this summer would presumably be being retained in service by extending the lease, but that begs the question as to whether any new lease is a term lease or a fluid one perhaps extendable every week or month.

 

[rollo]

In the weird world of litigation particularly in the USA it might be possible for Boeing to offset some of the Max cost to TUI if they carried additional passengers thus generating more revenue and profit so reducing Boeings liability, maybe TUI are playing safe.
I've no idea if thats possible but I'd bet Boeings legal eagles would look at it although I think Local Yokels explanation is most likely.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

I think there's a lot of uncertainty about when the Max will fly again. The 757's are leased, not sure where they are due to go on to next but TUI have obviously managed to do some kind of deal to keep them longer. TLY makes a valid point that it could be a short term requirement meaning a quick switch back to the Max capacity.
Although there's possibility of selling more flight only bookings, it's also likely that hotel allocations need to be taken into account. With TUI it's not just about seats available on the aircraft, they would have a certain amount of rooms available in resorts.
It would probably make sense for TUI to extend the 757 leases the full length of the summer season and if there are changes, at least they have backup aircraft for the rest of the summer, whereas the ASL and Olympus leases may be more flexible.
I wouldn't be surprised if the spare cabin crew at CWL not being used because of the ASL aircraft there would be utilised at BRS due to more crew required on the 757.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I think there's a lot of uncertainty about when the Max will fly again. The 757's are leased, not sure where they are due to go on to next but TUI have obviously managed to do some kind of deal to keep them longer. TLY makes a valid point that it could be a short term requirement meaning a quick switch back to the Max capacity.
Although there's possibility of selling more flight only bookings, it's also likely that hotel allocations need to be taken into account. With TUI it's not just about seats available on the aircraft, they would have a certain amount of rooms available in resorts.
It would probably make sense for TUI to extend the 757 leases the full length of the summer season and if there are changes, at least they have backup aircraft for the rest of the summer, whereas the ASL and Olympus leases may be more flexible.
I wouldn't be surprised if the spare cabin crew at CWL not being used because of the ASL aircraft there would be utilised at BRS due to more crew required on the 757.

Interesting point about the cabin crew. Earlier this year we booked a TUI holiday (the carrier is easyJet so we ought not to be affected by the MAX situation) and the TUI travel shop agent with whom we dealt told us that in summer he works as cabin crew for TUI at BRS across all aircraft types there: 737, 757 and 787. Although ATPL pilots might be rated for more than one type (perhaps having qualified for more than type one at earlier stages in their careers) I don't think they would be flying a 737 one day and a 757 the next, or is that an incorrect assumption?

I understand that some types are closely aligned allowing, for example, pilots to fly 757s and 767s on the same type rating. I assume that the easyJet pilots at BRS will fly both the 319s and 320s and, I presume, the 321 when it forms part of the BRS easyJet base perhaps with a bit of sim training/practice first.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

Interesting point about the cabin crew. Earlier this year we booked a TUI holiday (the carrier is easyJet so we ought not to be affected by the MAX situation) and the TUI travel shop agent with whom we dealt told us that in summer he works as cabin crew for TUI at BRS across all aircraft types there: 737, 757 and 787. Although ATPL pilots might be rated for more than one type (perhaps having qualified for more than type one at earlier stages in their careers) I don't think they would be flying a 737 one day and a 757 the next, or is that an incorrect assumption?

I understand that some types are closely aligned allowing, for example, pilots to fly 757s and 767s on the same type rating. I assume that the easyJet pilots at BRS will fly both the 319s and 320s and, I presume, the 321 when it forms part of the BRS easyJet base perhaps with a bit of sim training/practice first.

I think BRS cabin crew are certified on all 3 types. Pilots are usually one type. I know the 757 and 767 were common type rating for pilots but separate for 737 and 787.

 

[Marko1]

Is it this week that the official launch of 2020 takes place ? Anyone heard whether any new destinations are coming our way or will the news be of the based Dreamliner only. The schedule still doesn’t look settled with clashes etc and two Dreamliners currently needed on weds am .

 

[Jerry]

I believe it is supposed to be this week.

With the Dreamliner be focused more on short haul now does that mean in the future BRS isn't likely to see anymore new long haul routes?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I believe it is supposed to be this week.

With the Dreamliner be focused more on short haul now does that mean in the future BRS isn't likely to see anymore new long haul routes?

Florida and Cancun seem to have settled down as the core TUI long haul routes from BRS. Punta Cana was tried last summer but replaced by a second Cancun this summer.

The passenger numbers on Punta Cana seemed broadly on a par with Florida and Cancun so presumably the yield wasn't as good.

 

[Jerry]

Florida and Cancun seem to have settled down as the core TUI long haul routes from BRS. Punta Cana was tried last summer but replaced by a second Cancun this summer.

The passenger numbers on Punta Cana seemed broadly on a par with Florida and Cancun so presumably the yield wasn't as good.

With the wealth of the catchment area I wonder if they would look at somewhere in the far east or if they feel they'd make more money on short haul with the 787s.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

The far east has become more popular recently with TUI. A number of routes have been launched from BHX. However I think the 787 would struggle from BRS runway as it would be further than Cancun

 

[Jerry]

Isn't Thailand about the same flying time as Cancun?
It does seem a lot cheaper to fly east than west these days.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

Cancun is about 10 hrs, Phuket is about 11.30hrs

 

[superking]

On twitter TUI are saying we have big news,check back tomorrow. I don't know if it involves 1 airport or a host of airports across United Kingdom. Wait with interest with that,and no leaks about it on the net any where.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

On twitter TUI are saying we have big news,check back tomorrow. I don't know if it involves 1 airport or a host of airports across United Kingdom. Wait with interest with that,and no leaks about it on the net any where.

I think the official launch of TUI's summer 2020 programme is due this week.

 

[BRSregular]

TUIs big announcement... they are launching river cruises...

 

[Severn]

More updates to the 2020 summer schedule from BRS, and it is certain that BRS will have a based 788.
The schedule for a week in August 2020 is as follows:

Mon
LPA (dep 06:00, arr 15:15)
BOJ (dep 16:45, arr 01:05+1)

Tue
CUN (dep 09:30, arr 07:10+1)

Wed
PMI (dep 09:10, arr 15:10)
LCA (dep 16:40, arr 03:30+1)

Thu
SFB (dep 12:15, arr 07:15+1)

Fri
CUN (dep 09:45, arr 07:25+1)

Sat
PMI (dep 09:25, arr 15:25)
DLM (dep 16:55, arr 02:40+1)

Sun
HER (dep 07:05, arr 16:10)
AYT (dep 17:30, arr 03:55+1)


Therefore, below are the routes the 787 will operate:
Mexico - CUN x2
United States - SFB

Bulgaria - BOJ
Canary Islands - LPA
Baleric Islands - PMI x2
Cyprus - LCA
Greece (Crete) - HER
Turkey - DLM, AYT

 

[Marko1]

In addition Verona comes in house on a sat morning and Girona appears to be dropped. Apart from Enfidha there are no new destinations for next summer.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

More updates to the 2020 summer schedule from BRS, and it is certain that BRS will have a based 788.
The schedule for a week in August 2020 is as follows:

Mon
LPA (dep 06:00, arr 15:15)
BOJ (dep 16:45, arr 01:05+1)

Tue
CUN (dep 09:30, arr 07:10+1)

Wed
PMI (dep 09:10, arr 15:10)
LCA (dep 16:40, arr 03:30+1)

Thu
SFB (dep 12:15, arr 07:15+1)

Fri
CUN (dep 09:45, arr 07:25+1)

Sat
PMI (dep 09:25, arr 15:25)
DLM (dep 16:55, arr 02:40+1)

Sun
HER (dep 07:05, arr 16:10)
AYT (dep 17:30, arr 03:55+1)


Therefore, below are the routes the 787 will operate:
Mexico - CUN x2
United States - SFB

Bulgaria - BOJ
Canary Islands - LPA
Baleric Islands - PMI x2
Cyprus - LCA
Greece (Crete) - HER
Turkey - DLM, AYT

That ought to go a long way towards compensating the loss of the two 757s in terms of seat provision, assuming they won't be around next year and that summer 2020 will be a base of 4 x B738 and 1 x B787-8.

 

[Jono577]

Recently we had flights with Tui bri to ace and return, our return flight went Tec as it landed at ace.
After maybe an hour we were all asked to go to the service air information desk, where we were met by the captain and first officer, they explained that the stand by AI had failed on the flight down so could not leave with it not working. But they had arranged for a replacement to be brought in on the Manchester flight, in five hours time, but that would mean that the crew would be out of hours, so the plan was for us to wait for the Bournemouth flight now only an hour out then for us to have their aircraft back to Bristol, they would then wait for the Manchester flight and take that back to Bournemouth, then fit the ai to the Tec aircraft and go back to Manchester.
We are all very quick to criticize and moan about delays.
I would like to thank the crew for taking the time to come and explain the problems and how they could get us home as quickly as possible.
It just shows that if you give people all the information and explain to them what is going on they're far more happy than if you just put a delayed message on the departure board.
Well done TUI on this occasion.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Recently we had flights with Tui bri to ace and return, our return flight went Tec as it landed at ace.
After maybe an hour we were all asked to go to the service air information desk, where we were met by the captain and first officer, they explained that the stand by AI had failed on the flight down so could not leave with it not working. But they had arranged for a replacement to be brought in on the Manchester flight, in five hours time, but that would mean that the crew would be out of hours, so the plan was for us to wait for the Bournemouth flight now only an hour out then for us to have their aircraft back to Bristol, they would then wait for the Manchester flight and take that back to Bournemouth, then fit the ai to the Tec aircraft and go back to Manchester.
We are all very quick to criticize and moan about delays.
I would like to thank the crew for taking the time to come and explain the problems and how they could get us home as quickly as possible.
It just shows that if you give people all the information and explain to them what is going on they're far more happy than if you just put a delayed message on the departure board.
Well done TUI on this occasion.

Excellent work by the TUI crew and colleagues there. Jono's post ought to be part of the training of all airline staff whose job puts them into contact with their customers as an example of good practice.

Poor communication from customers seems to be rife across most industries these days despite the actual mean of communication never having previously been so instantaneous and so widely available.