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A big hit for Cardiff and Doncaster. Bit of a mix elsewhere with all the aircraft changes. To be expected with the new owners.

 

[Ray Finkle]

I believe that there may also be a Loganair E145 doing various domestic routes.

The Cologne-based airline WDL Aviation will be flying for Flybe to destinations in UK from 1 August 2019. The BAe 146 regional jet with the identification code D-AMGL will be stationed at Düsseldorf Airport. Destinations include the airports London City, Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham.

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[58terminus]

I believe that there may also be a Loganair E145 doing various domestic routes.

The Cologne-based airline WDL Aviation will be flying for Flybe to destinations in UK from 1 August 2019. The BAe 146 regional jet with the identification code D-AMGL will be stationed at Düsseldorf Airport. Destinations include the airports London City, Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham.

Can anybody give an explanation of why?

 

[IanFarquharson]

I would imagine simply because they cannot fulfil their scheduled flying with their own fleet due staff shortages etc

 

[Ianbutty]

Or the same way that Stobart fly out of Southend under the flybe banner. Not necessary a bad idea. Sell the brand not the seats. Trump only owns his brand not his hotels. Future of aviation? As long as we retain the route and it shows confidence in the BHX market from our German friends.

 

[58terminus]

I would imagine simply because they cannot fulfil their scheduled flying with their own fleet due staff shortages etc

Not a great situation if they are parking their own aircraft and having to lease in crewed aircraft.Cannot blame the staff though
if they are looking for more security.Then again as Ianbutty says they are taking steps to ensure the route keeps operating and that
can only be a good sign.
Interesting times ahead.

 

[TM3]

The DL/VS/KL/AF JV has now been tentatively approved, details are here:

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There are a few relevant points here. According to the US regulator the remedy slots are for 6 IATA seasons (3 years) after that they can be used elsewhere so we may see carriers applying for these slots just to get slots at AMS that can be used elsewhere after the time limit is up.

Also mentioned is JetBlue applied for AMS slots but were told none available in the foreseeable future. With this in mind I wonder if these slots would be attractive to long haul entrant as a tag to get into BHX eg US-BHX-AMS. Failing that maybe an eastern carrier might fancy adding BHX as a tag to a route from AMS. Eg. SIN-AMS-BHX.

Also noted is that they expect the JV to create new routing options from the UK to US outside of LHR.

 

[Ray Finkle]

we may see carriers applying for these slots just to get slots at AMS that can be used elsewhere after the time limit is up

This is the fear that I have.

Slots at AMS are highly sought after and my concern is BHX could be left high and dry by an airline willing to sit it out for three years.

 

[TM3]

IMO AF/Flybe/KLM have enough slots between them on both routes and there is scope to just provide bigger equipment if they lose some.
But if Easyjet took 5 daily AMS I don't think I'd see it as prelude to stating a new base rather as a slot grab - but it depends how well those routes go in the longer term.

 

[Ray Finkle]

But if Easyjet took 5 daily AMS I don't think I'd see it as prelude to stating a new base rather as a slot grab - but it depends how well those routes go in the longer term.

I think so too.

If they started AMS/CDG as part of a base then it would be a huge coup for BHX and hopefully the start of something big. If they started those routes in isolation then I'd fear the worst, especially being AMS/CDG based aircraft with less than ideal timings.

I guess time will tell

 

[58terminus]

C'mon folks! BHX-AMS came about 3000 passengers short of being in AMS top 20 European destinations last year. No mean feat when you look at the top 20 cities.Also only 5 of that top 20 were served by only 2 airlines.
Now iread about being left high and dry and slot grabs and that Easy taking up the route may not be a good thing in the long term.
This is taking Brummie pessimism to new levels .

 

[Ray Finkle]

This is taking Brummie pessimism to new levels .

They seem to go hand in hand I'm afraid

Of course the difference could be Nick Barton who must know easyjet very well.

We'll see what, if anything, happens.

 

[58terminus]

Of course the difference could be Nick Barton who must know easyjet very well.

We'll see what, if anything, happens.

We have a man who knows and is known by Easy and an unexpected window of opportunity.
If it does not happen this time i fully expect you delete the Easyjet thread Replace it with something reflecting all the effort
they put into things like sponsoring ballet and saving the planet.

 

[Jerry]

With Easyjet due to launch BHX-GLA 13 weekly does anyone think that is the end of Flybe on the route? Especially now that people have a jet option over a prop?

 

[Matt995]

With Easyjet due to launch BHX-GLA 13 weekly does anyone think that is the end of Flybe on the route? Especially now that people have a jet option over a prop?

dont think anyone knows what Flybe plans are for summer 2020 yet, with it being fully under Connect/Virgin ownership, might be lots of routes axed, or frequences dropped

 

[Jerry]

dont think anyone knows what Flybe plans are for summer 2020 yet, with it being fully under Connect/Virgin ownership, might be lots of routes axed, or frequences dropped

Well I'd be surprised if they axed BHX-GLA as if they did I'd imagine the whole base would be under threat.

 

[Scottie Dog]

I can't recall what the BE frequency is on BHX/GLA but I would think more than twice daily, which is what U2 are in essence planning.

For the business community I think that frequency will overrule price.

 

[nwoody2001]

5-6 daily?

 

[58terminus]

I remember the same sort of discussion when Easy started BFS-BHX. Yet Flybe are still operating multi daily BHX-BHD flights and Easy have increased BFS flights. The demand is there but it has been to comfortable for some with no incentive to lower prices and meet that demand. I guess the problem is there are really only 2 airlines that serve the internal UK market and if one retreats its not great for the consumer.

 

[IanFarquharson]

Flybe advertising for BHX Duty Manager, so not going anywhere anytime soon - money is very poor !

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