Flybe

[Jerry]

But by whom?
Easyjet would only offer flights to where they already fly and Loganair/Eastern have nowhere near the capacity that is required.

I'd imagine eventually that Loganair would expand into Belfast City they may even use Stobart Air either under wet lease or franchise. And who knows Easyjet might be tempted by Leeds to Belfast.

 

[Bigman]

I could still see Jet2 bringing back a twice daily Belfast International if we lost FlyBe. Enough 'Classics' still round to work it.

 

[twevsmiff]

Eastern Embraer 145 G-CHMR positioned in from Humberside this morning to operate the outbound Southampton flight.
The type is reputedley now a permenant fixture on this flight, replacing the Jetstream 41's.
Or, until things change once more

 

[Dave 1959]

Eastern Embraer 145 G-CHMR positioned in from Humberside this morning to operate the outbound Southampton flight.
The type is reputedley now a permenant fixture on this flight, replacing the Jetstream 41's.
Or, until things change once more

And they did this afternoon and evening with the Jetstream back operating the flights!

 

[lbaspotter]

And they did this afternoon and evening with the Jetstream back operating the flights!

Credit where its due for Eastern Airways today for not cancelling any rotations.

1. The Leeds based Airways BAe Jetsteam 41, G-MAJT looks to have gone tech overnight or early this morning as its still sat at Leeds now after going no where all day
2. Embrear 145, G-CHMR was positioned in from Humberside AT 07:05 as "EZE032P" so to operate the "EZE60Y/61Y" Leeds - Southampton rotation, It then re-positioned back to Humbeside as "EZE033P" at 11:00
3. BAe Jetstream 41, G-MAJU was then positioned in from Humberside at 14:10 this afternoon as "EZE031P" to take up operating this afternoons "EZE64Y/65Y" & "EZE66Y/67Y" Leeds - Southampton rotations.

 

[lbaspotter]

Flybe have been messing around with there summer 2020 schedule.

The Leeds - Belfast City route has been slightly reduced with Tuesdays, Wednesdays & Thursdays reduced from 5x to 4x daily. Mondays, Fridays remain 5x x daily, Sunday 4x daily and Saturdays 3x daily.
The Leeds - Newquay route has been reduced from the 4x weekly to just 2x weekly on Wednesdays & Saturdays.

All flights remian operated by Dash 8-Q400 aircraft.

Meanwhile Eastern Airwyas haven't yet updated the schedule for the Leeds - Southampton route. So as things stand that will operate 3x daily Monday to Thursday, 2x daily Friday & 1x daily Sundays using BAe Jetstream 41 aircraft

Monday
BE729 = BHD 07:00 – LBA 08:00 / BE730 = LBA 08:30 – BHD 09:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 10:25 – LBA 11:25 / BE732 = LBA 11:55 – BHD 12:55 DASH 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 12:45 – LBA 13:45 / BE734 = LBA 14:15 – BHD 15:15 DASH 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 16:00 – LBA 17:00 / BE736 = LBA 17:30 – BHD 18:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:10 – BHD 21:10 DASH 8-Q400
BE7600 = LBA 06:50 – SOU 08:05 / BE7601 = SOU 08:40 – LBA 09:55 BAE JETSTREAM 41
BE7604 = LBA 13:10 – SOU 14:25 / BE7605 = SOU 15:00 – LBA 16:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41
BE7606 = LBA 17:10 – SOU 18:25 / BE7607 = SOU 19:00 – LBA 20:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41

Tuesday
BE729 = BHD 07:00 – LBA 08:00 / BE730 = LBA 08:30 – BHD 09:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 10:25 – LBA 11:25 / BE732 = LBA 11:55 – BHD 12:55 DASH 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 16:00 – LBA 17:00 / BE736 = LBA 17:30 – BHD 18:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:10 – BHD 21:10 DASH 8-Q400
BE7600 = LBA 06:50 – SOU 08:05 / BE7601 = SOU 08:40 – LBA 09:55 BAE JETSTREAM 41
BE7604 = LBA 13:10 – SOU 14:25 / BE7605 = SOU 15:00 – LBA 16:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41
BE7606 = LBA 17:10 – SOU 18:25 / BE7607 = SOU 19:00 – LBA 20:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41

Wednesday
BE729 = BHD 07:00 – LBA 08:00 / BE730 = LBA 08:30 – BHD 09:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 10:25 – LBA 11:25 / BE732 = LBA 11:55 – BHD 12:55 DASH 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 12:45 – LBA 13:45 / BE755 = LBA 14:15 – NQY 15:25 DASH 8-Q400
BE754 = NQY 16:10 – LBA 17:20 / BE736 = LBA 17:50 – BHD 18:50 DASH 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:10 – BHD 21:10 DASH 8-Q400
BE7600 = LBA 06:50 – SOU 08:05 / BE7601 = SOU 08:40 – LBA 09:55 BAE JETSTREAM 41
BE7604 = LBA 13:10 – SOU 14:25 / BE7605 = SOU 15:00 – LBA 16:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41
BE7606 = LBA 17:10 – SOU 18:25 / BE7607 = SOU 19:00 – LBA 20:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41

Thursday
BE729 = BHD 07:00 – LBA 08:00 / BE730 = LBA 08:30 – BHD 09:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 10:25 – LBA 11:25 / BE732 = LBA 11:55 – BHD 12:55 DASH 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 16:00 – LBA 17:00 / BE736 = LBA 17:30 – BHD 18:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:10 – BHD 21:10 DASH 8-Q400
BE7600 = LBA 06:50 – SOU 08:05 / BE7601 = SOU 08:40 – LBA 09:55 BAE JETSTREAM 41
BE7604 = LBA 13:10 – SOU 14:25 / BE7605 = SOU 15:00 – LBA 16:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41
BE7606 = LBA 17:10 – SOU 18:25 / BE7607 = SOU 19:00 – LBA 20:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41

Friday
BE729 = BHD 07:00 – LBA 08:00 / BE730 = LBA 08:30 – BHD 09:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE731 = BHD 10:25 – LBA 11:25 / BE732 = LBA 11:55 – BHD 12:55 DASH 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 12:45 – LBA 13:45 / BE734 = LBA 14:15 – BHD 15:15 DASH 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 16:00 – LBA 17:00 / BE736 = LBA 17:30 – BHD 18:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:10 – BHD 21:10 DASH 8-Q400
BE7600 = LBA 11:10 – SOU 12:25 / BE7601 = SOU 13:00 – LBA 14:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41
BE7606 = LBA 16:10 – SOU 17:25 / BE7607 = SOU 18:00 – LBA 19:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41

Saturday
BE729 = BHD 07:00 – LBA 08:00 / BE730 = LBA 08:30 – BHD 09:30 DASH 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 12:45 – LBA 13:45 / BE734 = LBA 14:15 – BHD 15:15 DASH 8-Q400
BE754 = NQY 14:50 – LBA 16:00 / BE755 = LBA 16:30 – NQY 17:40 DASH 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 15:25 – LBA 16:25 / BE736 = LBA 16:55 – BHD 17:55 DASH 8-Q400

Sunday
BE731 = BHD 10:25 – LBA 11:25 / BE732 = LBA 11:55 – BHD 12:55 DASH 8-Q400
BE733 = BHD 11:50 – LBA 12:50 / BE734 = LBA 13:20 – BHD 14:20 DASH 8-Q400
BE735 = BHD 15:25 – LBA 16:25 / BE736 = LBA 16:55 – BHD 17:55 DASH 8-Q400
BE737 = BHD 18:40 – LBA 19:40 / BE738 = LBA 20:10 – BHD 21:10 DASH 8-Q400
BE7606 = LBA 16:10 – SOU 17:25 / BE7607 = SOU 18:00 – LBA 19:15 BAE JETSTREAM 41

 

[Bigman]

So the cut backs have begun then!!

 

[Finger66]

I think we still get off quite lightly though which is no bad thing

 

[jw2k]

Fresh talk about the Government taking an ownership stake in FlyBe... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51453196

 

[Len Fish]

I’ve got mixed feelings about this. I don’t want to see the airline go down with the consequent loss of routes and jobs but as a taxpayer am not too keen on bailing out the likes of Branson and the other wealthy backers who are unwilling to invest sufficient of their own money to save it. This would be yet another example of the taxpayer taking most of the risk (HS2 anybody?) with little guarantee the we’ll ever get a return on the investment.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

I am 100% behind HS2 as long as it is done in its entirety, Our rail infrastructure is diabolical in this country. Look at France, Japan, China way way ahead of us in this area.

Another who not only backs HS2 a full supporter of HS3 (trans Pennine)
Regretfully HS2 gets bad press, because the original bill was far too low. How could Crossrail be costed at £16 Billion for 73 miles and HS2 over 4 times bigger come out at £38 Billion.
If you factor Crossrail now likley to have a cost overrun of 25% the £106 Billion for HS2 looks cheap.
I am hoping some of the lines closed in the 60's by Beeching will also get reopened, some are now walkways/cycle tracks, so easy to convert.
We certainly can learn from our overseas competitors, in Spain they can change the gauge on the rolling stock so it can run on bothe the AVE (high Speed) or the standard network, on in situations where a steep gradient, can change the gauge to cope.

 

[lbaspotter]

Flybe maybe on the brink of collapse again as its looking like the new Chancellor has other ideas regards bailing out the airline, And it seems he dose not support reducing APD tax in next month's budget.

By all accounts Ryanair, Easyjet and other Airlines are in talks with UK airports with regards replacing some of the routes if Flybe do collapse.

 

[Bigman]

Let's just hope that Jet2 pitch in with Belfast and Newquay then. I guess the Eastern Southampton would also get canned.

 

[AirBingley]

In the meantime Flybe continue to reduce their fleet and lease to a competitor:

Loganair lands aeroplane deal with Flybe and Avation

The planes will enter service next month

www.insider.co.uk

 

[lbaspotter]

Let's just hope that Jet2 pitch in with Belfast and Newquay then. I guess the Eastern Southampton would also get canned.

Why would Eastern Airway drop the Southampton route? Nothing to stop them just reopening there own website and operate it without the Flybe Franchise, just lile they use to do before hand.
Like you say I'm surely somebody will pick up the Belfast route. Jet2, Ryanair or Easy could all easily do it using A319,B737 type aircraft! I think mean problem for the airport would be replacing the Newquay route without the subsidy in place.

In the meantime Flybe continue to reduce their fleet and lease to a competitor:

Its the 5x ATR72-600's which Flybe purchased to operate franchise services for SAS which was based in Scandinavia. The franchise has been terminated and aircraft returned to the operator. G-FBXA & G-FBXB are being leased to Loganair, G-FBXC, G-FBXE have transferred onto Stobart Air's Irish registrar as EI-GPN & G-EGPP whilst G-FBXD has being withdrawn from service and gone to Toulouse.

 

[Tarn Spotter]

Hopefully the government will find a way to support Flybe's internal routes. If we as tax payers were happy to see Northern rail get 29p for every KM a NR train travelles per passenger, its not beyond the wit to bring in a support system.
On a similar basis to NR each passenger, a LBA to SOU, air passenger, would get an allowance of around £110 each way , just shows how much rail is being supported by us tax payers.
Some huge decision that will upset some voters must be made, as students at one Oxford college who wrote demanding that the college sell it BP shares to save the planet found out this month, the Principal immediately responded that "Not possible to sell overnight, but he could turn off the central heating within the hour, to help the planet, please respond"
Should we openly support air routes to the far flung points of the U.K, I say yes, others may so no.

 

[Finger66]

Been told today that there is a lot of noise coming out of Scotland to ensure there is no Flybe collapse and the loss of vital air links. Now that's an interesting statement for someone to make because that's potentially Loganair territory

 

[Jerry]

potentially Loganair territory

It's not guarenteed that Loganair would be able to replace all if any of the lost capacity.

 

[Finger66]

Absolutely. Suspect that's the worry about a Flybe collapse. There are probably more profitable routes outside of Scotland that may be more appealing first. My money is on no collapse for which I hope I am right

 

[lbaspotter]

Looks like the Government aren't going to fund the £100 million flybe bailout.

Flybe hours from collapse as final flights land

Government rejects £100m state loan to airline now struggling over coronavirus

amp.ft.com

The future of airline could depend on what the Government dose with APD tax in next weeks budget.

For LBA you would think they will have been discussions with Jet2 & Eastern Airways to pick up the pieces if they do go belly up..