Chinese Charters

Re: Hainan Airlines

If this is officially confirmed, then i would rubber stamp it with a great success stamp for the team at BHX.

I didnt see that one coming esp from Hainan of all airlines.
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

From a charter perspective it doesn't really matters who operates the flight as whenever it is sign a contract and will be paid regardless I'd imagine - that's not to say they wouldn't be keeping a close eye on things for future reference.

If we were looking at regular scheduled flights I'd still remain cautious regarding Hainan; given that they were all set to announce MAN (albeit announced by Geroge Osbourne and let's face it, who believes a word he says?) then suddenly planning a London airport as well - both of which seemed to have now stalled - and suddenly they throw their name behind the BHX charter flights. They are a bit of a dark horse.

It seems there is a lot more going on behind the scenes that even the more informed of us appreciate and I'd really love to know what the long term plans are. For the moment though I think we can remain optimistic that all is not lost - an official press release would be extremely welcome now.
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

Greater Circle Mapper has BHX - PEK as 5071 miles, Wikipedia has the 767-300ER range at MTOW as 6,890 miles (5990nm). Winglets add about another 500 miles but I don't think Hainan's 763's have them fitted.

I'd wait till the official announcemnt though for the aircraft type.

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Re: China Southern Airlines

It would also give a more realistic representation of a scheduled service which would initially start at 3/4x weekly.
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

Whatever the aircraft type, assuming flights operate the same times as last years our international pier could look pretty healthy in August with Hainan lined up along with the new EK and AA services not to mention the usual suspects.
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

thunderchild said:
It seems there is a lot more going on behind the scenes that even the more informed of us appreciate and I'd really love to know what the long term plans are. For the moment though I think we can remain optimistic that all is not lost - an official press release would be extremely welcome now.

I agree, especially as last year we had all the sound bites from China Southern about being proud to have BHX as their next European destination and how impressed they were with how the flights performed. One year on and things seem to have taken a completely different direction. I think we also have to remember it's not just the UK airports that are chasing these flights, there are many European airports after them too.

With Caissa Travel and United Travel again pulling the strings I'm sure these flights will do well, the long term plan is to prove there is enough of an inbound market outside London to make a direct flight viable.

I really hope BHX can pull it off.
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

Wonder what happened to China Southern who said they were 'extremely happy' with BHX and proud tp serve the airport.

Pave the way for scheduled flights? Hmmm.
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

Excellent news for Birmingham airport and I suspect our Birmingham friends don't give a hoot who operates the flights. I guess there's no reason China Southern wont still be back, who knows.
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

Approx. 4000 Chinese to be carried to the UK but are there some seats available going the other way e.g. after 1st and at last flights to BHX? :search:
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

Aviador said:
Excellent news for Birmingham airport and I suspect our Birmingham friends don't give a hoot who operates the flights. I guess there's no reason China Southern wont still be back, who knows.

Twice weekly for 9 weeks is a very healthy increase on last year and means once again BHX will be getting some exposure in China. The flights into Europe carry many Chinese tourists each year and the relationships BHX have built with the travel agents and tour operators could prove invaluable if scheduled flights were to start. It's also vital in proving there is more to the UK than London, and the likes Shakespeare's England, Warwick Castle, Bicester Village, Oxford and the Cotswolds are all big draws, not to mention Birmingham's retail offer and the soon to be opened Resorts World.

I think the one question we'd all like answered is the one that probably never will be, just how into these 'partnerships' are the airlines? I'd say it's more than simply hiring out their aircraft as it would have been easier for Caissa to just go to a specialist such as Hi Fly and get an A330/340 for 9 weeks. I think there has to be some level of interest there it's just a matter of how deep that interest goes. As ever we'll find out in due course.

Flights start on Friday 3rd July and run until 28th August, I've heard an arrival time of around 08:00 suggested meaning it'll be in with American, United, Emirates new morning service, Icelandair on a Monday and the Thomson 787.

It's definitely going to top off what was already on to be a great summer :s_yes
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

Maybe they just need a bit more convincing as to whether scheduled flights to China from BHX are certain to be a success (I don't see why not really). It's great news for them and I hope it's a success.
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

The BHX Blog is saying it will arrive at 08:00 then depart at 09:30.

New Birmingham - Beijing Flights Announced

The UK Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, Rt Hon Sajid Javid MP, has welcomed news that Birmingham Airport will host a programme of charter flights from Beijing this summer, carrying almost four thousand Chinese tourists into the UK on package tours and contributing £19 million to the regional economy.

The SoS was speaking at a special event hosted by Birmingham Airport and Visit Britain at The GREAT Festival in Shanghai. The event was also attended by President Chen Xiaobing of Caissa Touristic and Vice President Hou Wei of Hainan Airlines as well as senior representatives from Birmingham’s business community, media and HNA Group of which Caissa Touristic and Hainan Airlines are a part of.

The GREAT Festival in Shanghai is being led by the Duke of Cambridge Prince William, Trade Minister Lord Livingston and the Culture Secretary.

Rt Hon Sajid Javid MP said: “There's so much more to the UK than London, so it's great that this new route will let Chinese visitors fly direct to the heart of England this summer. Improving international connections is a key part of our long-term economic plan, and a regular flight between China's capital and Britain's second city will boost the tourist industry and help forge links between businesses in both countries."

Hainan Airlines will operate twice weekly flights on a Boeing 767-300 aircraft, with 233 seats – 34 in the business cabin and 199 in economy. The flights will operate from Beijing to Birmingham each Friday and Monday, starting on Friday 3rd July and ending on the Friday 28th August.

Jo Lloyd, Birmingham Airport’s Commercial Director, who spoke at today’s event, said: “We are honoured to be able to once again host the UK’s only direct charter flights from Beijing this summer and look forward to welcoming the thousands of Chinese passengers arriving twice weekly into the Midlands during the summer.

“Not only is this a significant market test, it paves the way for future sustainable scheduled flights into Birmingham from China that will support the growth in Chinese visitors as well as the region’s economy. We are also hopeful that flight programmes will include departures from Shanghai and Guangzhou as well as Beijing to Birmingham in the future.

“We would like to thank our travel partners, Caissa Touristic, Hainan Airlines and United Travel, for recognising Birmingham as a great entry point into the UK and we look forward to a long and successful partnership going forward. Thanks also go out to our many UK partners that have supported our campaign to secure flights again this year, and to the Secretary of State, UKTI and Visit Britain for making today’s event such an important occasion.”

Recent Office for National Statistics data shows that overseas visitor numbers to the region have increased by one-third, specifically from China where visitor numbers have more than doubled.

Sir Albert Bore, Leader of Birmingham City Council, said: “Chinese tourists spend eight times more in the West Midlands than the average overseas visitor – some £57 million each year. The arrival of new flights from Beijing this summer provides the region with a considerable opportunity to grow this even further.

“Birmingham is establishing itself as a must-see destination for tourists across the world. The Rough Guides has ranked the city as one of the top ten global locations to visit in 2015, with new attractions such as Resorts World Birmingham opening this year. Our retail offer, supported by the £50 million transformation of the Mailbox, will be unrivalled outside London. We are attracting more international visitors than ever before – and with new flights from China, this trend is set to continue.”

Birmingham Airport also unveiled its new Chinese branding – ‘Birmingham Airport, Shakespeare’s Airport’ at the event. It will be used in China to promote Birmingham as a gateway into the region which is home to many great places of interest to Chinese visitors, such as Stratford upon Avon, the home of Shakespeare.

Sally Balcombe, CEO at VisitBritain said: “These new charter flights will help us achieve our target of £1 billion Chinese visitor spend within five years – that’s over double the current annual level.

“China is a huge tourism opportunity for Britain. Our current share is small in volume but high in value. Chinese visitors already stay longer here than in our European competitor destinations and are high spenders – every 22 additional Chinese visitors we attract supports an additional job in tourism.

“Having direct access to Birmingham will not only increase tourism to the local area, but importantly, across the nations and regions of Britain – something VisitBritain leads on.”

Also present at the launch event in Shanghai were representatives from the Birmingham business community including Aston Villa Football Club, Shanghai Automotive, Wragg & Co, Birmingham University and NVC Lighting.

Chen Xiaobing, President of Caissa, said: “Birmingham is an important destination for Caissa Touristic due to its central location and the many tourist attractions which are of great interest to Chinese people. The 2014 charter flight programme between Beijing and Birmingham was a great success and hosting the programme once again this summer shows the strong partnership between Caissa and Birmingham Airport so we are looking forward to running the tours again this year.”

The GREAT Festival is taking place between the 2nd and 5th March in China to showcase the best of British creativity that can help businesses innovate and grow.

Former Aston Villa football player and Club ambassador, Ian Taylor, said: “Along with other businesses across the region, we support Birmingham Airport as an alternative gateway into the UK. Aston Villa has seen a huge growth in our Asian fan base in the last 12 months, primarily through our tailored Chinese social media and the Premier League’s huge broadcast reach. It’s great that these fans will now have a direct route into the city to watch their favorite football team. Aston Villa is delighted to support this initiative by joining Birmingham Airport in Shanghai and being part of such a historic occasion.”

Direct flights to China from Birmingham have been made possible thanks to an investment by Birmingham Airport to extend its runway to enable longer haul flights. The development was opened in April 2014 by the Prime Minister and was inaugurated by the first Birmingham-Beijing charter service in July 2014.

To book, please visit www.united-tvl.com

https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/med ... announced/
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

Answering my own question above re BHX-Bejing return, Hainan are advertising the 1st 2 flights arriving BHX and the last 2 departing Beijing in August as open - long trip!
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

I have not heard anyone offering space as yet (but give it time). I will be keeping an eye on this as we are getting more and more interest in China than I have seen for a while. It will be interesting to see who markets the space if they do decide to take cargo. The only thing i would say about this is the question about traffic rights for cargo as well as handling agent arrangements. If they do accept cargo then I can see there being restrictions set about what they will accept (probably no hazardous or live animals). Also as the flights are being classed as charter services (unless I am mistaken) they may decide not to outlay any money for local handling and avoid taking any cargo at all. It would be interesting to find out what sort of baggage allowance they are offering to the passengers (as this may give a clue about what availability there will be for cargo).
 
Re: Hainan Airlines

Maybe they just need a bit more convincing as to whether scheduled flights to China from BHX are certain to be a success (I don't see why not really).

Now the dust has settled I've had a few thoughts about this and I don't think we'll be seeing a scheduled flight anytime soon. My thoughts:

1. The comments from Jo Lloyd - "We are also hopeful that flight programmes will include departures from Shanghai and Guangzhou as well as Beijing to Birmingham in the future." This to me suggests there are more charters already being planned for next year possibly to include other cities.

2. China Southern - After the successful flights last year there were many quotes about how impressed China Southern were, so impressed that they didn't return this year for the longer programme! Instead they've hired the aircraft off an airline which has already announced flights into two UK airports not far from here. Using BHX for a little advanced publicity perhaps?

3. BHX's performance so far - For years Orlando has been desperately under served, in fact the summer TOM flights are almost sold out or remaining seats are in single figures, but BHX have not been able to do anything about it. Thomas Cook publicly said they were looking for new route opportunities yet of all the airports that managed to get them BHX failed. Virgin Holidays have also started peak season flights from elsewhere, nothing at BHX. Toronto is the same with many airports seeing extra peak season capacity added in recent years. Qatar have twice announced BHX but as yet the airport have failed to secure them (I realise aircraft delays haven't helped). Despite all this are we really to believe they're able to secure a route to China?

4. The market - Mr Kehoe has already said airlines have the market covered for popular destinations such as Prague so if Hainan are starting Manchester and London then are we really to expect BHX too? I can't see it.

5. Boeing 767 - Hainan operate A330's and new 787's yet for these 'special flights' they're sending one of their old 767's of which they have three. This says to me they don't see this as an opportunity that they need to make a good impression.

Don't get me wrong I'm looking forward to these flights and it'll make an already decent summer much better but I think this is nothing more than a publicity stunt to justify the new runway and the fact that planes are now leaving for China. Unfortunately expectations are being raised so I hope it doesn't backfire on them.

As always I hope to be proven wrong :s_yes
 

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