Manchester CAA Provisional Statistics Update
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David_itl
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Just rolled it out to include a few more UK airports
It really does put some perspective on how LHR dominates and what a desperately low amount of seats available there are ex-BHX. They really do need someone to be the "Thomas Cook genie" and we need to be thankful of the capacity and breadth of service we enjoy here.
It really does put some perspective on how LHR dominates and what a desperately low amount of seats available there are ex-BHX. They really do need someone to be the "Thomas Cook genie" and we need to be thankful of the capacity and breadth of service we enjoy here.
I completely agree. It is great to see however, with all the capacity we have in Manchester, that we have the third highest overall load factors out of the UK (and second in England).Just rolled it out to include a few more UK airports
It really does put some perspective on how LHR dominates and what a desperately low amount of seats available there are ex-BHX. They really do need someone to be the "Thomas Cook genie" and we need to be thankful of the capacity and breadth of service we enjoy here.
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Here's the routes to America in 2016 broken down by airline and direction using the US T-100 statistics. Diverted routes have been put to the cities I believe they were operating to. Edited to say the VS to ATL route is under reported as for whatever reason, July's figures weren't listed.
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Great stuff David. Many thanks.
The fact that TCX (excellent), VS and DL all achieved an overall LF of 80% or more is very encouraging.
I was pleasantly surprised by TCX on BOS and it will be interesting to see what 2017 looks like with VS competing.
MIA is still in the TCX timetable for 2018 I gather but not yet loaded for bookings. It was the weakest of the TCX routes in 2016 but the LFs are not too bad. Have to say I thought MIA would do rather better - as a destination in its own right, for Fort Lauderdale, for access to the Keys and even for the southern part of Central Florida - Naples / Fort Myers - as MCO is a longer drive. Do we know if TCX have any cruise contracts which would tend to be in our winter months I suppose?
On SQ David, are the seats based on the full a/c capacity or an allocation?
Just a final observation: I'm slightly surprised at some of the variances between outbound and inbound loads. I could understand it if some pax flew out to MCO but returned from MIA for example with TCX. But with MCO, there were approx. 2,700 more pax outbound on VS and a broadly similar number more on TCX inbound.
The fact that TCX (excellent), VS and DL all achieved an overall LF of 80% or more is very encouraging.
I was pleasantly surprised by TCX on BOS and it will be interesting to see what 2017 looks like with VS competing.
MIA is still in the TCX timetable for 2018 I gather but not yet loaded for bookings. It was the weakest of the TCX routes in 2016 but the LFs are not too bad. Have to say I thought MIA would do rather better - as a destination in its own right, for Fort Lauderdale, for access to the Keys and even for the southern part of Central Florida - Naples / Fort Myers - as MCO is a longer drive. Do we know if TCX have any cruise contracts which would tend to be in our winter months I suppose?
On SQ David, are the seats based on the full a/c capacity or an allocation?
Just a final observation: I'm slightly surprised at some of the variances between outbound and inbound loads. I could understand it if some pax flew out to MCO but returned from MIA for example with TCX. But with MCO, there were approx. 2,700 more pax outbound on VS and a broadly similar number more on TCX inbound.
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They don't break it into the IAH-SIN and IAH-MAN sectors so its a full allocation but I'm not too dissatisfied with those results given what we've seen from the CAA stats for this year.
I was more than pleasantly surprised at the TCX results, BOS is impressive but the standout has to be JFK. No wonder they are making it a proper year-round route and contemplating incorporating business class. Both VS and AA may fear what TCX is doing as if they're getting the economy/economy plus passengers now and based on reviews better service is on offer, then if they start nabbing the premium passengers as well then stakes will have been raised. And if the premium service does extend itself to SFO/LAX as well then that could be turning point for some frequent flyers on other airlines to switch allegiance. At the same time, better product would have to be introduced by the other airlines as there's little point in maintaining inferior product or withdrawing and hoping passenger will go down to LHR.
MIA should normally be more of a winter route but a lack of cruise contract did for AA when they operated the route but don't know how it would play out with a European company blockbooking a US cruiseline or having a UK cruiseline based in Miami.
Not too sure why there are the discrepancies - maybe their compiler had an off day! Look at the Jet2 results - it appears 1 service has been recorded as MAN-EWR instead of the other way round
I was more than pleasantly surprised at the TCX results, BOS is impressive but the standout has to be JFK. No wonder they are making it a proper year-round route and contemplating incorporating business class. Both VS and AA may fear what TCX is doing as if they're getting the economy/economy plus passengers now and based on reviews better service is on offer, then if they start nabbing the premium passengers as well then stakes will have been raised. And if the premium service does extend itself to SFO/LAX as well then that could be turning point for some frequent flyers on other airlines to switch allegiance. At the same time, better product would have to be introduced by the other airlines as there's little point in maintaining inferior product or withdrawing and hoping passenger will go down to LHR.
MIA should normally be more of a winter route but a lack of cruise contract did for AA when they operated the route but don't know how it would play out with a European company blockbooking a US cruiseline or having a UK cruiseline based in Miami.
Not too sure why there are the discrepancies - maybe their compiler had an off day! Look at the Jet2 results - it appears 1 service has been recorded as MAN-EWR instead of the other way round
Thanks David. Glad that SQ was a full allocation.
I agree with you about TCX on MAN-JFK. The combined total for JFK is some 316,000 pax plus 101,000 on EWR. Pretty impressive. MCO/SFB is 545,000 passengers.
One can see why UA dropped IAD, but having said that, the LF overall was only very slightly less than ORD, 2% less than AA to JFK and certainly more than PHL although admittedly the latter is a much larger a/c.
UA to EWR is where it should be but the AA figures are as dismal as their service reliability.
I agree with you about TCX on MAN-JFK. The combined total for JFK is some 316,000 pax plus 101,000 on EWR. Pretty impressive. MCO/SFB is 545,000 passengers.
One can see why UA dropped IAD, but having said that, the LF overall was only very slightly less than ORD, 2% less than AA to JFK and certainly more than PHL although admittedly the latter is a much larger a/c.
UA to EWR is where it should be but the AA figures are as dismal as their service reliability.
Can you tell me how to get these statistics? Thanks! I've tries looking on the website but it has baffled me!Here's the routes to America in 2016 broken down by airline and direction using the US T-100 statistics. Diverted routes have been put to the cities I believe they were operating to. Edited to say the VS to ATL route is under reported as for whatever reason, July's figures weren't listed.
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David_itl
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This is the link
https://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_SelectFields.asp?Table_ID=261&DB_Short_Name=Air Carriers
you can select the criteria you want by ticking the boxes that appear
https://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_SelectFields.asp?Table_ID=261&DB_Short_Name=Air Carriers
you can select the criteria you want by ticking the boxes that appear
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April statistics in Post #374 have now been updated to reflect the inclusion of Belfast City and Inverness in the CAA figures.
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Some more figures from Spike on Plane Mad.
"A couple of pax numbers from today.
Singapore to Houston 226.
Saudi/Jeddah inbound 291 - outbound 38. VERY similar figures yesterday too."
Not sure if 226 is the total when leaving MAN with the transit pax or just MAN-IAH. Probably the former.
The Saudi figures highlight how inbound and outbound loads can vary, especially at Ramadan or the Hajj.
"A couple of pax numbers from today.
Singapore to Houston 226.
Saudi/Jeddah inbound 291 - outbound 38. VERY similar figures yesterday too."
Not sure if 226 is the total when leaving MAN with the transit pax or just MAN-IAH. Probably the former.
The Saudi figures highlight how inbound and outbound loads can vary, especially at Ramadan or the Hajj.
Still great for Singapore, whichever it is! I am really pleased at their success.
Saudi's inbound must have been packed! Is there any mention of the Riyadh route?
Completely forgot what the day was! Thanks!
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Some pax numbers for today:
SV123 248 pax
HU7903 183 pax. Cargo on both flights oversold.
EY15 full, around 90 transfer with 59 doing AUH EY15-MAN-JFK AA211
There were approx 100-110 flying from various long haul routes and connecting down to Heathrow on 3 seperate BA flights.
AC and TS from YYZ both full.
Now this is an interesting one:
6 pax flying JFK-MAN-JMK on AA/BA. This is not the only example of this, so, Seems the Cityflyer routes are fulfilling more than just MAN O&D beach fun, and throws up an interesting concept......
SV123 248 pax
HU7903 183 pax. Cargo on both flights oversold.
EY15 full, around 90 transfer with 59 doing AUH EY15-MAN-JFK AA211
There were approx 100-110 flying from various long haul routes and connecting down to Heathrow on 3 seperate BA flights.
AC and TS from YYZ both full.
Now this is an interesting one:
6 pax flying JFK-MAN-JMK on AA/BA. This is not the only example of this, so, Seems the Cityflyer routes are fulfilling more than just MAN O&D beach fun, and throws up an interesting concept......
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The LHR and BA figures still surprise me.
To think HKG-LHR has about 10 flights a day, and we still get 12 pax flying HKG-MAN-LHR! The inbound AA210 from JFK had about 7 connections to LHR, and to think how many flights there are JFK-LHR...
As for the New York-Manchester-Mykonos pax, I believe this is a preffered option as the flight into LHR has a ground transfer to LCY.
We typically get 4-10 connecting pax onto the Cityflyer routes, which, for 1 weekly flights that people still seem convinced is a quasi-charter with aircraft that have nothing better to do is extremely positive. Shows a market may well be there.
To think HKG-LHR has about 10 flights a day, and we still get 12 pax flying HKG-MAN-LHR! The inbound AA210 from JFK had about 7 connections to LHR, and to think how many flights there are JFK-LHR...
As for the New York-Manchester-Mykonos pax, I believe this is a preffered option as the flight into LHR has a ground transfer to LCY.
We typically get 4-10 connecting pax onto the Cityflyer routes, which, for 1 weekly flights that people still seem convinced is a quasi-charter with aircraft that have nothing better to do is extremely positive. Shows a market may well be there.
The CAA stats for May have finally been published and MAN is included.
MAN's excellent overall performance of a 11.8% increase in pax numbers saw some significant growth on short haul services. On a brief review, routes to Rome and some German cities did very well, as did some Spanish services, Croatia and Scandinavia, but I'm sure Scottie will be providing a more detailed assessment.
Long haul if I'm honest I found rather disappointing overall although there were quite wide variations. Perhaps surprisingly, USA services did rather better than the non-USA ones as a general picture.
For the USA, I'm unsure of the number of flights that operated or a/c types in some cases, so won't attempt to give LFs. Maybe David can oblige.
ATL 12,899 was down 8%
BOS 5,573
ORD 8,673 + 17%
LAS 19,331 + 3%
LAX 6,058 + 42%
MIA 3,700 - 22%
JFK 34,541 +18%
EWR 7,694 + 5%
PHL 9,009 + 1%
MCO 50,842 + 2%
SFO 6,144
IAH 4,496
The timing of when routes resumed or first started is another factor, but the New York figures seem pretty impressive, whereas ATL, and in particular MIA, look disappointing.
Non-USA to follow.
MAN's excellent overall performance of a 11.8% increase in pax numbers saw some significant growth on short haul services. On a brief review, routes to Rome and some German cities did very well, as did some Spanish services, Croatia and Scandinavia, but I'm sure Scottie will be providing a more detailed assessment.
Long haul if I'm honest I found rather disappointing overall although there were quite wide variations. Perhaps surprisingly, USA services did rather better than the non-USA ones as a general picture.
For the USA, I'm unsure of the number of flights that operated or a/c types in some cases, so won't attempt to give LFs. Maybe David can oblige.
ATL 12,899 was down 8%
BOS 5,573
ORD 8,673 + 17%
LAS 19,331 + 3%
LAX 6,058 + 42%
MIA 3,700 - 22%
JFK 34,541 +18%
EWR 7,694 + 5%
PHL 9,009 + 1%
MCO 50,842 + 2%
SFO 6,144
IAH 4,496
The timing of when routes resumed or first started is another factor, but the New York figures seem pretty impressive, whereas ATL, and in particular MIA, look disappointing.
Non-USA to follow.
Non-USA long haul MAY 2017.
No. of sectors shown in brackets - please point out if incorrect!
SQ - SIN / 5,871 / (44) / A/L 133
SQ - IAH / 4,496 / (44) / A/L 102
CX / 8,007 / (24) / A/L 334 / LF. 98.1% -9% (based on 3 x wkly and only 2 flights 1 week?)
HU / 5,529 / (36) / A/L 154 (Mix of a/c?)
Middle East:
EK / 64,406 / (186) / A/L 346 / LF. 66.6% -3% (based on daily B777 with 427 seats & 2 x A380s)
EY / 27,211 / (124) / A/L 219 / LF. 65.1% -3% (1 x A332 and 1 x B777?)
QR / 22,562 / (142) / A/L 159 / LF. 62.6% +4%
SV / 6,486 / (44) / A/L 147 / LF. 49.5% -4% (based on all B789?)
WY / 7,822 / (62) / A/L 126 / LF. 58.4% (if all flights operated and with 216 seat A332)
I've a feeling 1 EK return flight was cancelled which would increase the LF slightly.
Although May is traditionally a low month for the MEB3, the figures struck me as rather disappointing.
After the big boost for Easter, SQ's figures were back to a more normal level.
No. of sectors shown in brackets - please point out if incorrect!
SQ - SIN / 5,871 / (44) / A/L 133
SQ - IAH / 4,496 / (44) / A/L 102
CX / 8,007 / (24) / A/L 334 / LF. 98.1% -9% (based on 3 x wkly and only 2 flights 1 week?)
HU / 5,529 / (36) / A/L 154 (Mix of a/c?)
Middle East:
EK / 64,406 / (186) / A/L 346 / LF. 66.6% -3% (based on daily B777 with 427 seats & 2 x A380s)
EY / 27,211 / (124) / A/L 219 / LF. 65.1% -3% (1 x A332 and 1 x B777?)
QR / 22,562 / (142) / A/L 159 / LF. 62.6% +4%
SV / 6,486 / (44) / A/L 147 / LF. 49.5% -4% (based on all B789?)
WY / 7,822 / (62) / A/L 126 / LF. 58.4% (if all flights operated and with 216 seat A332)
I've a feeling 1 EK return flight was cancelled which would increase the LF slightly.
Although May is traditionally a low month for the MEB3, the figures struck me as rather disappointing.
After the big boost for Easter, SQ's figures were back to a more normal level.
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