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I never said you did. I said other people think it is.I was writeing a reply to the post you put up. I never said CWL is more important than Exeter or Exeter more than Cwl.
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I never said you did. I said other people think it is.I was writeing a reply to the post you put up. I never said CWL is more important than Exeter or Exeter more than Cwl.
I'd be interested to see if EXT-EDI could survive at double daily or more.
BE were increasing EDI towards their latter days at CWL, possibly to utilise the aircraft in absence of other profitable routes, but still, the traffic carried on that route is pretty hefty by CWL and EDI domestic standards.
To bring the figures even more up to date for January and February this year (the only two months to be unaffected by the virus impact), CWL handled 7,624 passengers on the EDI route in January, up 27% on January 2019's 6,017, and 7,663 in February up 19% on February 2019's 6,412.Whenever I looked at prices with Flybe from CWL, although not regularly checked, they were always reasonable, but I wouldn't say cheap. Most of the time comparable with Easyjet on similar routes, especially EDI. People i know that travel to EDI often said Flybe were more expensive than EZY. Now it's something that's been confined to history (Or memory), so we'll never know how the pricing was throughout, especially during winter. But i still stand by that at least a well timed daily flight should work CWL-EDI. Again, unlikely we'll ever know, but it would also be interesting to see the routes financial performance on a 2-3x daily E95, vs 3 daily DH8. It's good that CWL has the figures of the routes Flybe served, but given that the base was effectively subsidised in a way to support the jet leases it would be difficult to say what did/didn't work for Flybe would/wouldn't work for another Airline. A different Airline, with different finiancials, different lease and basic costs.
Below is a further comparison of EDI domestic routes to regional Airports. EXT and CWL the only Airports that saw growth from 2018 to 2019. I'm not entirely sure of frequencies from any of these Airports
2019 / 2018
CWL - 110391/102102 (Scheduled)
BHX - 265832 / 267695
BRS - 396911 / 400014
EMA - 72098 / 93215
EXT - 58135 / 48076
MAN - 116320 / 116953
SOU - 182716 / 183236
With GLA Flybe seemed to use it more as a filler than a main route like EDI and DUB.GLA is not as clearcut. Although CWL has generally carried more passenger than EXT on the route, recent years are much closer, although for much of 2015 EXT had no GLA route at all.
I think BHX was 6 daily and SOU 4 to 5 daily. MAN 4 daily i think and EMA 3 daily for the most part.I'm not entirely sure of frequencies from any of these Airports
We'll never know but it did seem like he was basing the decision on sales during a crisis. With Exeter launched its a shame that they couldn't have continued with the combined CWL EXT flight they operated a fee times.When you look at those figures, it makes the excuse made by the Loganair boss, that they wouldn't be able to make CWL-EDI pay, sound very lame, he must have had a better offer from elsewhere.
An interesting analysis of the new Aer Lingus Regional routes from BHD.
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Isn't this anna.aero's view of what constitutes a core route and indirect competition, and not necessarily the airline's?" With this announcement – and new routes by BA CityFlyer to London City, Eastern Airways to Southampton, and Loganair to Glasgow – all of flybe’s core routes from the Northern Irish airport will once again be operated."
So i'm guessing Cardiff isn't considered a core route then?
Also interestingly that they don't consider Manchester for Leeds, BHX for East Midlands or Bristol for Exeter as indirect competition on this route despite that Loganair said Easyjet at Bristol was for Cardiff.
Yes, but i guess it begs the question what can be considered a core route, especially from a small regional airport.Isn't this anna.aero's view of what constitutes a core route and indirect competition, and not necessarily the airline's?
Yes unfortunately at the moment they don't seem to be interested.Cwl just cannot attract any airline at the moment, let's hope it gets better.
The difference between Wizz and TCX is the tour operator arm. Things are very different now and there's different opinions on if Travel Agents are now a more attractive prospect since covid as they give greater sense of being looked after and someone to go to.Could Wizz potentially be an indirect replacement for Thomas Cook? As reported elsewhere they've opened bases at Gatwick and Doncaster admittedly they already operated there but the bases are 1 aircraft, TCX only operated 1 aircraft. Most of the routes announced are sun routes. Faro, Larnaca, Lanzarote, Alicante, Malta, Naples are the sun routes. Lanzarote, Larnaca and Naples have only have TUI on them and other routes like Tenerife and Gran Canaria only have TUI on them along with other Spanish routes and PMI could be considered under served. Problem could be Eastern European routes that might not work from CWL especially in the winter.
Probably something that will never happen but it does look like Wizz want to expand into the more traditional UK markets so maybe in the future they may become an option for CWL?
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