Outside Influences

[Land23R]

Agreed Aces; it may well make no difference but there must be reasons why HAL are trying it whatever the reaction of the airlines turns out to be.

As for the necessary frequency and size of a/c, isn't this where code-sharing may have a part to play? I suppose
flybe or Logan air feeding BA long haul would be a possibility but even that might not be successful given, as you say, the other hub options available from some of the smaller airports. Liverpool and Newquay might be airports that could possibly benefit however.

 

[Jerry]

Next in the queue would be Virgin and we saw how well.

Virgin wouldn't have to operate it themselves. They'd probably just go into partnership with Flybe. Flybe also codeshare a lot of other airlines and have small enough aircraft for say 3 to 4 daily flights to LBA or NQY or MME or EXT or MAN to work. There is also Easyjet who might well want to add more point to point capacity from places like Belfast and Glasgow and with there Worldwide service may want to replicate what they are doing Gatwick.

 

[Aceshigh]

Virgin wouldn't have to operate it themselves. They'd probably just go into partnership with Flybe. Flybe also codeshare a lot of other airlines and have small enough aircraft for say 3 to 4 daily flights to LBA or NQY or MME or EXT or MAN to work. There is also Easyjet who might well want to add more point to point capacity from places like Belfast and Glasgow and with there Worldwide service may want to replicate what they are doing Gatwick.

Agreed Jerry. Was suprised Virgin used A320s BUT even these didn't work on main trunk routes. What chance Teesside etc

Ps. Apols re spelling /missing words etc. After posting I seem to occasionally lose the function to edit. Report Only is the option available. No idea why.

 

[Aceshigh]

I know there was an excellent evaluation on here from one poster re the bitter infighting between Loganair and FlyBe.

Bit more info here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel...n-a8099981.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

[Aceshigh]

18 month old news clip BUT interesting nonetheless re the EL AL service?

://www.timesofisrael.com/as-london-prices-climb-manchester-beckons-jews-from-far-and-near/

 

[Aceshigh]

https://video.buffer.com/v/5a5deb63...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


30 year plan.

John Prescott walked put suggesting "it's all bloody hot air".

Maybe but at least there is now a plane and something to start beating government with given their enthusiastic spend re
ElizabethanLine
Thameslink
BankUndergnd
Waterloo
DLR
Waterloo
Crossrail 2
Thames Crossing
9Elms etc

Given there light touch with Carillion I'm amazed TFN would come under any scrutiny .

 

[Aceshigh]

Wasn't sure where to put this ....

BUT the Mancunian historian who organises the various Manchester Walks has spotted all the "London Tat" in the WHSMITHS shop in the airport.

Incensed is not the word.!

 

[Aviador]

Wasn't sure where to put this ....

BUT the Mancunian historian who organises the various Manchester Walks has spotted all the "London Tat" in the WHSMITHS shop in the airport.

Incensed is not the word.!

It's nothing new. The London tat is in all WHSMITH airport shops throughout the UK. The London red bus among other things. What would they put in there for Manchester though, mini Betham towers and rainbow flags?

 

[Jerry]

What would they put in there for Manchester though,

Manchester United mugs! I'm sure Manchester United kit and tat is probably sold at Heathrow.

 

[Aceshigh]

"So what did the Romans, sorry Mancunians do for us "

I still prefer my "I love MCR" t shirt that represents ;

The origin of votes for women laying the template for worldwide equal rights.

Creation of the 1st railway in the World that revolutionised passenger transport.

Building of the first canal in the World that revolutionised carriage of freight.

Design and production of the first BRITISH aeroplane (designed by AV Roe.)

Creation of the first free library in The World.

How about generation of the first artifical intelligence, The Computer , (stick thst down ya throat Silicon Valley)

Should i mention atomic theory, thermo dynamics , precision engineering or the humble Rolls Royce !

As you suggest Aviador im at an absolute loss to know what to put on my t shirt , infact I'm spoilt for choice, it's certainly mighty difficult to beat a plastic London bus or a tea caddy in the shape of Bucks House.

If only those tourists new

......

 

[Silvercity]

Not forgetting Alan Turing from Manchester, who worked at Bletchley Park, his Enigma Machine saved the country in WWII. Unfortunately the thanks he received was persecution for being gay. The rainbow flag should be proudly waved for him.

 

[EGCC_MAN]

Turing's legacy should indeed be more widely celebrated. Just a factual correction though: the enigma machine was the German cipher which generated the secret military codes. Turing worked on technology to break those codes, notably on a groundbreaking 'computer' called the bombe. He led the 'Hut 8' team at the Bletchley site. It is estimated that the work of the Bletchley codebreakers shortened the war by two years and saved 14 million lives. There are several other names from that era which deserve higher recognition as well.

Following WW2, the Bletchley Park site was eventually passed down to the Civil Aviation Authority who used it primarily for the training of ATC engineers. The grounds were filled with old radar heads and navaids. I had the good fortune to be sent on a two week familiarisation course there early in my career. At the time, the historic role of the site was still top secret ... the public (myself included) had no concept of what had gone on there. My accommodation was in one of the huts! Several huts were derelict ... you could just wander in them ... little did I know! In retrospect, I'd love to know the hut number used for our accommodation, but I very much doubt it was one of the historic ones. What I do recall clearly was that the site was littered with signs warning of a photography ban, and threatening dire punishments (including execution) for divulging secret information from the complex. We thought these signs highly amusing, as our course wasn't secret in any way. Now we know that those signs were a relic from the war years ... they had never been taken down.

I recently visited Bletchley Park again. It is now an excellent museum, and the wartime role of the site is public knowledge. When I mentioned to my friend and fellow visitor that I'd done a course there years earlier, eyebrows were raised! Must be some unlikely '007' James Bond figure! Sadly not ... just a lowly CAA staffer back in the '80's! But I do feel very privileged to have explored the grounds there in the site's semi-derelict state before the significance of those run-down huts was common knowledge. It is great to see them restored and appreciated now.

 

[Aceshigh]

This might be of interest to anybody with a wider interest in NW infastructure as clearly the tsunami of money continues to pour into London with our illustrious still leaders seemingly ambivalent.

https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/future-transport-investment-in-the-north-briefing

I know I carp on about this as do others but surely a more equitable distribution of cash OR simply allowing TFN the ability to raise its own capital isn't beyond the wit of man or woman.

 

[Aceshigh]

I wasn't sure where to place this but where are Dobbo and User ?

We had some excellent exchanges both good and very occasionally frank, but both are exceptionally knowledgeable and their contribution is sorely missed.

Have I missed something ?

 

[EGCC_MAN]

Their avatars indicate that they are on "extended leave" - presumably a ban of some sort. I've no idea how long a standard ban would last on F4A, but this one has passed the two week mark. Maybe a mod can provide an update?

 

[Scottie Dog]

Regrettably both members have been suspended. I have taken the liberty of copying the internal announcement that was made to moderators by the Administrator:

I have made the decision to suspend both their accounts with Forums4airports for bringing the forum into disrepute.

It is deeply regrettable as both users were regular contributors to Forums4airports. Both users were respected within their own local forum community and the wider forum.

Until now Forums4airports has maintained a sensible and friendly forum community for a number of years without the need for this kind of action.

I recognise that this isn't going to be a popular decision with everybody but I see this as the only way of restoring what is meant to be a friendly forum community.

 

[Silvercity]

This might be of interest to anybody with a wider interest in NW infastructure as clearly the tsunami of money continues to pour into London with our illustrious still leaders seemingly ambivalent.

https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/future-transport-investment-in-the-north-briefing

I know I carp on about this as do others but surely a more equitable distribution of cash OR simply allowing TFN the ability to raise its own capital isn't beyond the wit of man or woman.

In The i today says London receives 3 times more than the North. I can't remember the name of the transport minister but apparently he has just approved extensions to Crossrail hot on the tail of electrication cancellation in the North. ' Northern Powercut ' id call it !

 

[EGCC_MAN]

Thanks for that update, Scottie Dog. Does 'suspension' in a situation like this take the form of a fixed period in the proverbial 'sin bin' or does it indicate permanent exclusion? Thanks for any further clarification.

As regulars will know, I've had a couple of lively exchanges with User myself in the past, but I for one would be very sad to see him lost to the forum. In our case, I think we both take impassioned on-topic debate in our stride! In the case of Dobbo, I must have missed the exchange in which he was involved in controversy. I'd always had the impression that he was an enthusiastic, positive and well-informed contributor.

I hope that the F4A 'parole panel' will bring us good news soon! 🙂

 

[Scottie Dog]

Regrettably the problem is not always on the public forums. Should either wish to return under another name they are welcome.

Can we now classify this matter as closed. The original question has been answered.

 

[Aceshigh]

Not widely reported but the Scottish Parliament left APD unchanged in their budget annoucement last week. It was widely expected that they might have reduced it by 50% but the topic was.....

.....quietly kicked into the long grass !