Rumours about new destinations or airlines?

[ex_crew]

Really annoys me when people leave comments with no info to back up them up. If you have something to say, please say it and provide info that gives your comment some substance.

 

[lbaspotter]

The Dresden rumour has been scotched. It's a Heathrow route instead.

Are you saying there is a LBA-LHR rumour, or that Dresden was ex LHR?

If its the first, can you say more?

Hi

Knowing bigman like i do, I think what he was trying to imply is that bmi had announced a new London Heathrow - Dresden route which is codeshared with Lufty. "Hence the rumour had been Scotched"

Hope he will back me up on this one.

 

[Aviador]

Was it one of those occasions when an airline disguises it's route using a different departure point? Jet2 have done this many times in the past, has have Easyjet from other airports.

 

[airbus]

hi Continental Airline are stoping there flights to bristol from the 7 of november so thay will have a 757-200 free so maybe thay mite start at newark to leeds bradford route

 

[Aviador]

hi Continental Airline are stoping there flights to bristol from the 7 of november so thay will have a 757-200 free so maybe thay mite start at newark to leeds bradford route

Do you not think that this will just make more regional departures even less likely? Most Americans think that the only thing outside of London is a little village called Edinburgh.

This is the final nail in the coffin for any expansion to the states, at least from that site of the Atlantic anyway. Leeds' only hope is that Jet2 might look at routes across the pond once the economy picks up. Other than that I would say forget it.

 

[airbus]

No, because we have the American base in Yorkshire, and I think a lot of Americans will fly to Yorkshire because of that and a lot of people will use the route to go on holiday to New York

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I don't think CO are so strapped for aircraft that stopping one route means the aircraft could be used for something else.

If they wanted to do LBA-EWR or anywhere else-EWR for that matter they would have made aircraft available whether they flew to Bristol or not.

On the face of it Bristol was a good choice. The West Country is a huge tourist destinations for Americans - Bath is almost as close to BRS as Bristol is - and at times you can't move in Bath for American visitors and that's no exaggeration.

Bristol is also a very big business centre.

Where Leeds will score over Bristol is in its relative distance from London.

Bristol in some ways is a distant outer suburb of London and many in the Bristol area regard LHR as long haul airport of choice.

Nevertheless, that's not to say that someone like Jet2 might not try NYC more regularly from LBA.

 

[Seasider]

I am surprised that Flybe have not decided to operate LBA-GCI. I flew on that route the last time they operated it in 2000 on a Dash8-200. I know the 400 series is twice the capacity of the 200 series, but correct me if I'am wrong, isn't there a Dash 8 on the ground from 2pm on a Saturday? Plenty of time for a return trip to GCI(Guernsey).

 

[User0001]

I don't think CO are so strapped for aircraft that stopping one route means the aircraft could be used for something else.

If they wanted to do LBA-EWR or anywhere else-EWR for that matter they would have made aircraft available whether they flew to Bristol or not.

On the face of it Bristol was a good choice. The West Country is a huge tourist destinations for Americans - Bath is almost as close to BRS as Bristol is - and at times you can't move in Bath for American visitors and that's no exaggeration.

Bristol is also a very big business centre.

Where Leeds will score over Bristol is in its relative distance from London.

Bristol in some ways is a distant outer suburb of London and many in the Bristol area regard LHR as long haul airport of choice.

Nevertheless, that's not to say that someone like Jet2 might not try NYC more regularly from LBA.

You could say the same for Leeds though. Yorkshire is also a big tourist destination; not just for the three National Parks accessible from Leeds, but for big tourist centres like York and Harrogate- comparable to Bath.

Leeds is a bigger business centre than Bristol, and as you say is further from London.

So by that assesment, if transatlantic flights from Bristol can be a success, Leeds should have no problem.

 

[lbaspotter]

I am surprised that Flybe have not decided to operate LBA-GCI. I flew on that route the last time they operated it in 2000 on a Dash8-200. I know the 400 series is twice the capacity of the 200 series, but correct me if I'am wrong, isn't there a Dash 8 on the ground from 2pm on a Saturday? Plenty of time for a return trip to GCI(Guernsey).

Hi

The LBA based flybe Dash 8-Q400 will not have enough time to work a GCI rotation on a Saturday as the aircraft due to operate a weekly charter flight down to Innsbruck and back on Saturday afternoons for Crystal Holidays starting from Late May and running until September.

 

[Runway 32]

Biggest problem for LBA in gaining daily NYC flights is the proximity of MAN. MAN have nearly all of the big American carriers serving NYC - Delta, American and Continental. A daily NYC by a UK airline without any connections at the otherside of the pond couldn't sustain its self. Best hope really would be for Jet2 to start a codeshare with someone like Jet Blue buts thats also never going to happen. I know its top of the list for LBA management to gain a NYC link but I cannot see it happening.

 

[airbus]

But we have a pia flight to Islamabad and so does Mancheser so even though we are close to Manchester i still think a Continental Airlines flight to Newark will be full and i dont think there will be a dip in passenger traveling from Manchester to New York. If Continental don't do it maybe jet blue will do a route from JFK on an A320? If Air Canada can fly from Canada to London on an A319 i am sure an Jet Blue can use an A320 from New York to Leeds

 

[TheLocalYokel]

You could say the same for Leeds though. Yorkshire is also a big tourist destination; not just for the three National Parks accessible from Leeds, but for big tourist centres like York and Harrogate- comparable to Bath.

Leeds is a bigger business centre than Bristol, and as you say is further from London.

So by that assesment, if transatlantic flights from Bristol can be a success, Leeds should have no problem.

Leeds is a bigger business centre than Bristol though the latter is pretty large itself with its finance (not as big as Leeds it is true), hi-tech and aerospace industries. The CO EWR flight also serviced the adjacent Cardiff city business region.

Actually Bristol is deceptive. A big swathe of its business and industry is along the northern and northeastern edges of the city, known locally as North Bristol though it's not in Bristol at all but in the neighbouring authority of South Gloucestershire. It looks as though it's part of Bristol because there is no break in the urban landscape which means Bristol's municipal population of 420,000 is augmented within the physical city to nearer 700,000 taking into account South Gloucestershire and two other local authorities whose urban edges join Bristol.

There was certainly a market for Bristol-NYC despite LHR's nearness, with well over 400,000 travellers so far. Unfortunately, as we know, loads don't necessarily equate to profit and even if they do an airline might still find better pickings elsewhere.

From my perspective in the West Country, Leeds is the obvious choice to start a NYC route if anyone in the UK not yet serviced is to get one.

When the economy picks up, hopefully in a year or two, an airline might be tempted to give it a go.

And I wrote earlier, LBA hasn't the spectre of LHR just along the motorway either.

 

[ex_crew]

Leeds is the thrird largest city in the UK after London and Birmingham.

The scale of operations are not always refective of the size of the airport. Airports are a small business and depend on what
the investors are willing to invest into them.

A lot of research goes into new airports/ routes before airlines decide to operate from them
All the American carriers will over a period of time looked at LBA as a potential route, airlines have special depts that are employed
to do this. Yes Leeds has a good catchment area and yes a smaller aircraft could do the route ( The Air Canada A319 must stop en route somewhere, not possible to do that route non-stop) but will a route from LBA to JFK/EWR be profitable, consistently ??, probably not.

Airlines don't have spare aircraft waiting around to fly new routes either.

These depts do investigations usually on a six month basis and put together a list of potential routes. Once lists have been put together, inspections then take place . If the airport/s pass the inspections discssions are then held with the airport management to agree the route.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

ex_crew

I believe you have hit the nail on the head when you say, '.............. but will a route from LBA to JFK/EWR be profitable, consistently ??'

The Bristol route actually carried high loads in much of high summer but the winter periods could be very poor at times.

It lasted for over five years, or will have lasted for over five years, which suggests that it made money for the airline for some if not all of that time. It might still be doing so but a 5 rotations a day from LHR will probably make more.

I believe the beginning of the end came for Bristol when CO gained access to Heathrow and is now in the process of expanding from there significantly.

The routes team has always been very strong at BRS and still is - Tony Hallwood was pre-eminent when at Bristol and given the right ammunition from the LBA owners will make a good stab at trying to persuade an airline to service LBA.

The work they did to get CO to Bristol was imaginative and persuasive.

It certainly was a surprise that Bristol got the route given BHX had and still has a CO to EWR just up the M5 and LHR with its numerous NYC flights is a similar distance along the M4 though no CO then, as I have said.

 

[ex_crew]

The scale of operations are not always refective of the size of the airport. Airports are a small business and depend on what
the investors are willing to invest into them.

Should of said " size of the city ", my error.

I had no idea that the route stopped from BRS, what a shame. It was a really good example of a regional airport doing all it
could to pull in such a major carrier.

 

[Bigman]

FlyBe would certainly be able to operate a GCI flight on a Sunday. There is enough slack in the daily routine.

 

[Seasider]

Do you think that it is the number of seats (74) that is stopping them? I would imagine that they would need a tour operator to help them fill that many, although it shouldn't be too difficult in July/August.

 

[Seasider]

Sorry, the last post was mine, I hadn't realised I wasn't logged in. I wondered why I had to have my post reviewed.

 

[Aviador]

Sorry, the last post was mine, I hadn't realised I wasn't logged in. I wondered why I had to have my post reviewed.

I've changed it for you.

Aviador