Road, Rail & Access Issues

[LBA4EVER]

It’s beyond backwards LCC.

How is it Manchester and the whole North West get things built and we just have people infighting to the detriment of our city region/county.

You only have to notice how the M65 just stops at the border with Yorkshire. The lack of any decent orbital road around Leeds, Tram, HS2, decent new city developments it’s endless...

Ive had it living here, before Covid I had the chance to move to Manchester as Jet2 have already decided it’ll become the main engineering base. If the new terminal isn't approved and the role is still available, for my own sanity I’m going, I cannot live in a city that is so incredibly backwards...

Sorry all for the rant but this is ludicrous how our own MP’s are against the city.

I have no idea if it’s even legal but how’s about all the opposition commentators are banned from using LBA. piss off elsewhere you absolute C****

Was on the M65 the other night, you no when you have arrived in Yorkshire when the motorway ends! In the past the plans were to have that motorway go all the way over the tops where cowling is and join the dual carridgeways past steeton and silsden towards keighley and then all the way onto The M606 Motorway, so one motorway all the way from the M6 to the M606

 

[LBA787]

Was on the M65 the other night, you no when you have arrived in Yorkshire when the motorway ends! In the past the plans were to have that motorway go all the way over the tops where cowling is and join the dual carridgeways past steeton and silsden towards keighley and then all the way onto The M606 Motorway, so one motorway all the way from the M6 to the M606

A lack of foresight has lead us Into a situation that we now cannot rectify, I mean there is literally no chance of a link to Cross Hills being built never mind all the way to the M606.

For some reason we seem not to learn from past mistakes like we’re supposed to do. Transport infrastructure is literally the lifeblood of our entire existence if you don’t have freedom to move people or goods then we’ll be all living very insular lives.

I’m like a broken record but It’s the shortsightedness of it all. Yes currently road transportation as with Air travel contributes CO2 emissions but in time with the onset of clean technologies both industries will become carbon neutral.

We will then have many situations like the M65 where we can no longer build to the master plan because of destruction of wildlife or other already built up areas are in the way. I won’t even go into increase in costs any future infrastructure projects maybe.

 

[White Heather]

Was on the M65 the other night, you no when you have arrived in Yorkshire when the motorway ends! In the past the plans were to have that motorway go all the way over the tops where cowling is and join the dual carridgeways past steeton and silsden towards keighley and then all the way onto The M606 Motorway, so one motorway all the way from the M6 to the M606

Well originally the plan was to have the M62 to A1 (Pudsey - Dishforth) link motorway going right past LBA, along what is currently Scotland Lane. That would have enabled traffic to use the M606 then straight on to the Pudsey to Dishforth Motorway, past the airport and on towards the North. That got thrown out too and we ended up with the Motorway skirting the SE of Leeds linking the M1 and A1 instead.

Imagine what might have happened at LBA with a motorway right next door? The Harrogate by pass follows part of the route intended for the motorway but it was thrown out as it would have damaged the Wharfe Valley environmentally. There lies the problem in these parts. It is considered too 'pretty' to build motorways through it, which I suppose is very noble, but in other parts they just get on with it and after a while the motorways just blend in. Sadly LBA is too close to these nice areas for its own good.

 

[LBA4EVER]

If LBA Had a motorway right next door to it the airport would be in a different league to what it is present! The funny thing about Leeds is that south and east Leeds has a good motorway network but the north and west has nothing at all! You can clearly see this on a map, also to note the suburbs of Leeds tend to extend outwards more to the north (c.allerton, roundhay, alwoodley etc) and to the west (bramley, Pudsey, farsley ) these areas having more population but worse roads, crazy!

 

[leedslad]

Even just a link road from Dawsons Corner to Drighlington would do wonders.

 

[stars&sids]

Even when schemes go ahead, the time scales in the UK are just ridiculous. We always seem to have to wait years before a spade is even put in the ground, whereas most other countries just get on with it.
I’ll quote HS2, which wether you agree with it or not, I remember it being talked about Over10 years ago, and I, like a fair number of our members of this Forum will never get the chance to take a train ride out of Leeds on it because it won’t be ready in Leeds till 2040!
30 years for an infrastructure project of huge national importance is just not good enough to me. No wonder it’s going to cost so much over the odds, it’s been milked dry of money by all and sundry ‘Consultants’ etc before the real work actually starts.
This is why, although I am in full support of a new LBA terminal, I don’t think they will have it built and operational for 2023, which I believe is the target date.

 

[White Heather]

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This is why, although I am in full support of a new LBA terminal, I don’t think they will have it built and operational for 2023, which I believe is the target date.
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Totally agree with your views on how long we take in this country though we seem to make it worse around here because of everyone moaning about it and Councillors and MPs pandering to those who don't want anything that impacts their cosy little lives, so as to guarantee votes and maintain their positions.

However one advantage LBA has, IF the terminal is approved, is that the construction is entirely within the airport's boundary so there are a lot less hurdles to jump. The big one is underway now.

 

[lbaspotter]

The new train station at White rose centre has just gained full planning approval from Leeds City Council.

Hopefully the planned LBA Parkway station will follow soon too

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

The new train station at White rose centre has just gained full planning approval from Leeds City Council.

Hopefully the planned LBA Parkway station will follow soon too

I wonder what will happen Cottingley railway station just 750m north. Barley served by 100,000 passenger a year or 375 per day. There is very limited car park area, judging by a quick google maps, so i would say those passengers more then likely come from the local area. Will White Rose have more then an hourly service? And what sort of car park will it have?

Also it is on the very busy part of the trans pennine express service so i wonder how it will hinder that. I know they fit in the Leeds - Huddersfield stopper into the pattern.

This is a good step in the right direction for Leeds, but we need more of this, new railway lines, new roads etc rather than add ons.

 

[lbaspotter]

will White Rose have more then an hourly service? And what sort of car park will it have?

Also it is on the very busy part of the trans pennine express service so i wonder how it will hinder that. I know they fit in the Leeds - Huddersfield stopper into the pattern.

According to this

Green light for £22 million White Rose train station in Leeds

It could be up and running by 2024

www.leeds-live.co.uk

White Rose Station - Headlines

1. Open by 2024
2. Replaces cottingley station
3. £22 million to build
4. Platforms at the station will accommodate six-carriage trains
5. At least two trains per hour will pass through the station in each direction

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Very good - car parking spaces too hopefully with some junction improvements to the ring road around the White Rose Centre.

2 Per hour is what run that line anyway; one stops at Cottingley and both at Morley then onwards. Let's hope this brings about some Manchester services. What would be good is if they build this with sidings for the railway platforms to allow the fast services passed. Therefore not crowding an already crowded route.

 

[lbaspotter]

The Leeds to Leeds/Bradford Airport bus service 757 is to restart operation on June 28th. It will be run by a different bus operator CT plus temporarily until August 29th instead of Yorkshire Tiger whom have given up there contract earlier than originally planned.
Transdev will take over running the 757 737, 747 along with the 62 service contracts from August 30th.

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Not sure what is happening with services bus services 62, 737 & 747 in June/July/August but I will update when I have more info.

 

[Aviador]

So did the White Rose shopping centre have to make a financial contribution to the new station there?

 

[White Heather]

So did the White Rose shopping centre have to make a financial contribution to the new station there?

I doubt they applied to build a train station so it's not their planning application probably, in which case the owners won't be liable for any Section 106 payments.

 

[Britannia94]

The Leeds to Leeds/Bradford Airport bus service 757 is to restart operation on June 28th. It will be run by a different bus operator CT plus temporarily until August 29th instead of Yorkshire Tiger whom have given up there contract earlier than originally planned.
Transdev will take over running the 757 737, 747 along with the 62 service contracts from August 30th.

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Not sure what is happening with services bus services 62, 737 & 747 in June/July/August but I will update when I have more info.

Quite looking forward to new operators on the airport buses. Yorkshire Tiger clearly gave up along time ago with they’re buses being maintained and cleaned on these routes. Makes you wonder if they will also drop the 737/747 early.

 

[ls27]

The operator for the 757 will be CT (Yorkshire) until 29th Aug when Transdev take over. It is a 'Bridging' arrangement. Looks like the present operator doesn't have any more Tiger in it's tank. They are going to close the Idle Depot, so if they had kept the route going it would have to have worked from either Elland or Waterloo (Huddersfield).Too much dead mileage. They also have had trouble with a shortage of drivers as they were sending drivers from Selby to to work it.

 

[White Heather]

CT have a depot in Leeds. They provide a lot of the yellow MyBus services for schools but have recently won a number of scheduled bus services in West and South Yorkshire.

 

[ls27]

Yorkshire Tiger are also trying to hand back the other routes in Bradford to the Transport Authority to be re-let, so, therefore the other routes to the airport may find another operator as well. The newer buses that work the airport services , I understand will go to Arriva North East and not be transferred to Transdev.

 

[lbaspotter]

New once hourly Timetable for the 757 Leeds to LBA bus service operated by CT Plus temporarily vaild from June 28th to August 29th only.

 

[Britannia94]

It would appear Yorkshire Tiger are to recommence operations into LBA from 28th June on services 737 & 747. Monday to Saturday both services will operate to an hourly service, similar to before COVID-19, however on sundays, looking at the timetable, the 737 will continue to terminate at Yeadon Harper Lane, with the 747 by passing the airport, as they have done for past couple of months.

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