Route Development & Rumours

[TheLocalYokel]

Interesting that it's MUC and not FRA that LH is setting up at NCL early next year. Useful as an easyJet route from BRS to MUC might be it would fall well short of a LH-base operation with its connectivity although FRA would be even better for that.

It's unlikely that the shadow of easyJet would cause LH to think twice before beginning a BRS route. If that is not the case then it's a concern if such an airline as Lufthansa was to be put off by easyJet's presence. That would suggest it would be desperately difficult for the airport to attract any 'legacy' airline onto important business routes that also permit worldwide connectivity.

I'm not yet persuaded that is the case though.

 

[Jerry]

Would a single daily service be what the airport would want? I'm wondering if BRS would rather wait and try and get multiple daily flights to provide a proper hub service?

 

[superking]

I see SAS starting Copenhagen tomorrow. It will be nice to how it works from Newquay. BRS had SAS do some routes and the first time tried SAS were in finantual problems so the routes from BRS were dropped.They did CPH a couple of years ago but never returned the following summer.It will wonder if the route from Newquay will return next year and the pax loadings they getting.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Would a single daily service be what the airport would want? I'm wondering if BRS would rather wait and try and get multiple daily flights to provide a proper hub service?

You'd think that BRS would be happy to do some sort of deal for a single-daily MUC (or FRA, or both) service if Lufthansa offered the opportunity. One or both routes could always be increased in the future if successful.

I see SAS starting Copenhagen tomorrow. It will be nice to how it works from Newquay. BRS had SAS do some routes and the first time tried SAS were in finantual problems so the routes from BRS were dropped.They did CPH a couple of years ago but never returned the following summer.It will wonder if the route from Newquay will return next year and the pax loadings they getting.

It was actually ARN (Stockholm) that SAS returned to for short summer seasons at BRS in 2014 and 2015. With easyJet operating ARN and CPH it's a better airline for these routes than SAS's short-season (eight weeks) offerings, given easyJet's greater frequencies and higher profile in the West Country; there was next to nothing in terms of connectivity at ARN or OSL when these routes were operated from BRS by SAS in the past so it's not as if easyJet is getting in the way of long-haul connectivity.

ARN in particular was heavily marketed as a leisure route from both ends when SAS operated it - pre-easyJet to ARN of course.

 

[Jerry]

Yeah I suppose better to have something than nothing. Although we'll never know it would be interesting to know if BRS was in the running for the NCL flight and if so why they chose NCL.

 

[Marko1]

It would be nice just to have a hint of an idea where route development is going at Bristol. Most of the growth is coming from one carrier and surely that cannot be the future plan. Given the loss of the German routes I would have thought klm/ Air France would have jumped at the chance to boost their presence given the long years of service by klm. I know klm are using the 737 on one service this summer but that goes again at the end of October.

Secondly klm seems to have no problem with easyJet on the Amsterdam route - both airlines are routinely sold out, so I shouldn’t imagine that legacy carriers would be put off by the presence of Ryanair or easyJet. The only thing I can think of is the close proximity to Heathrow which as we know in the past was a reason why Lufthansa and continental up sticks and left Bristol in the past.

Frequencies need boosting on a number of routes - a close check on easyJet shows many routes sold out days in advance - that shows demand is there.

 

[Red Flyer]

Maybe people should remember a few old adages. Patience is a virtue or Good things come to those who wait.

 

[Jerry]

I know klm are using the 737 on one service this summer but that goes again at the end of October.

There was a post on the Leeds forum in which KLM told Leeds they had a lack of aircraft. Maybe it will get better when the new E jets start arriving.
It is surprising that Lufthansa and Air France don't serve Bristol but there must be a reason as to why.

 

[superking]

There was a post on the Leeds forum in which KLM told Leeds they had a lack of aircraft. Maybe it will get better when the new E jets start arriving.
It is surprising that Lufthansa and Air France don't serve Bristol but there must be a reason as to why.

Its not as both airlines dont know BRS. Both airlines have used BRS in the past,and a few times.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Maybe people should remember a few old adages. Patience is a virtue or Good things come to those who wait.

Red Flyer's F4A track record shows a foreknowledge of BRS developments including forthcoming new route announcements. That being so I always regard Red Flyer's posts as credible when BRS is being discussed.

We used to have another member who would offer what always transpired to be accurate pre-announcement titbits on BRS matters -usually new routes or new airlines but never specific (and understandably so) - and that poster who hasn't posted for a long time was also in the habit of using what might be described as little teasers.

 

[Marko1]

Any sign of German routes returning ?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Any sign of German routes returning ?

It's slighty surprising that, given Loganair's expansion of routes around the country since its sister airline flybmi left the stage, the owners haven't thought Frankfurt worth looking at. Perhaps they have but not pursued the idea.

In the days of bmi regional that airline would regularly speak of the need for larger aircraft on some of its routes and BRS-FRA was the route given as an example.

Almost certainly the Lufthansa codeshare on Fankfurt (and Munich) made the route worthwhile but the question is to whom? If bmi regional had the poor end of the deal the bmi regional and Loganair owners might not have been keen to continue with Loganair without a better deal. On the other hand Lufthansa might have decided the partnership was not for them. I wonder if the regular bmi regional/flybmi cancellations soured their view and they wouldn't risk a repeat with Loganair.

It does seem odd that a Lufthansa-owned airline has restarted the Brussels route, albeit using someone else's aircraft, but FRA remains elusive. Perhaps it's simply a case of Lufthansa wanting an aircraft of the right size that could operate what it considered the requisite number of rotations a day, bearing in mind the route is an imortant one to a major hub. On the face of things, the aircraft used on the re-started BRU route would seem to be about the right size for FRA.

 

[Jerry]

Its quite possible that with Lufthansa Frankfurt could be short of slots, they do seem to be building up their Munich hub so that is probably the best option for a Lufthansa route from BRS.

With Loganair it does seem that they are concentrating mainly on Scotland with Aberdeen and Glasgow seeing new routes recently, Newcastle and Southend and they may not want too over extend themselves.

 

[Marko1]

I’m wondering if Munich maybe in easyJet’s sights to be honest leaving Frankfurt the one to be filled or is the star alliance waiting to see how the Brussels route does first ?

 

[Red Flyer]

Expect new airline announcement later today with further updates to follow

 

[Jerry]

I have a hunch who it might be but I'll wait until it's announced as I might be completely wrong!

 

[Marko1]

Any news ?

 

[BRSregular]

Expect new airline announcement later today with further updates to follow

These ’further updates’... are they about the same airline or another new one?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

These ’further updates’... are they about the same airline or another new one?

I took it to read updates re the airline which has turned out to be Laudamotion. Perhaps Red Flyer might clarify.

 

[Marko1]

If we don’t get a certain to come in there is going to be big capacity drops primarily to Greece and turkey. Any signs easyJet and /tui can fill gaps for next summer ?