Iron Duck
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TUI fly to Goa from manc ?Great to get Tuesday back so daily again, I trust the demand has increased due to no Indian flights from any other UK regional airport
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TUI fly to Goa from manc ?Great to get Tuesday back so daily again, I trust the demand has increased due to no Indian flights from any other UK regional airport
Not just Tuesday, but AI in general, some know it all on airliners dot net says its purely for political reasons / lobbying etc, the flights are often empty and as soon as the new AI CEO comes in they'll drop BHX completely...Great to get Tuesday back so daily again, I trust the demand has increased due to no Indian flights from any other UK regional airport
Seems this hasn't happened, latest loads factors are struggling to get above 50%Great to get Tuesday back so daily again, I trust the demand has increased due to no Indian flights from any other UK regional airport
Lets hope so, loads are a bit eratic but with Indigo pulling out the UK the extra BHX should do wellBoth Delhi and Amritsar back on the 77W next summer
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Outbound load not though, empty first class half empty business and a total load factor of 46% hardly good even if the inbound loads are better, and these poor outbound loads aren't a one off either, been happening for the past few weeks now.Todays inbound load very healthy indeed !
But it’s clearly not by the look of things.Lets hope so, loads are a bit eratic but with Indigo pulling out the UK the extra BHX should do well
Air India is apparently struggling with loads in the UK in general, partly due to the psychological effects of the Ahmedabad crash. As for Indigo passengers, the largest demand is for BOM, not served from BHX. They will be back onto GF, KU, EY, EK, QR rather than heading down the motorway.Lets hope so, loads are a bit eratic but with Indigo pulling out the UK the extra BHX should do well
Inbound high load could be students, which would explain the difference. Outbound tonight really not good. No first seats sold, business half full and a total LF of 43%. 150 pax would be considered low for a 787 let alone a B77W. The aircraft changing is going to kill this routeLets hope so, loads are a bit eratic but with Indigo pulling out the UK the extra BHX should do well
BHX has seen cuts though, the 4th weekly was suppose to return and has now been dropped, was meant to be daily flights not 6 weeklyI really would not read anything into Air India first class being empty, it often is even from LHR. The First Class - and to a degree Business Class - on these old 777 are some of the worst and outdated products in the sky and are rarely sold, especially at the prices Air India charge. if you have that amount of money, you are not spending it on Air India, that's for sure.
We also know the 777 isn't on this route to increase capacity, its here to cover the refurbishment of the 787 fleet. Air India has had to make major cuts to nearly their ensure long-haul route networl outside asia to accommodate the reduced capacity. The very fact that BHX has not lost any flights and actually increase capacity when you see the extent of the cuts is a mere miracle...
NORTH AMERICA
1. Delhi-Chicago: temporarily suspended
2. Delhi-San Francisco: reduced from 10 weekly flights to 7 weekly flights through August
3. Delhi-Toronto: reduced from 10 weekly flights to 5 weekly flights through July; daily operations to resume from August
4. Delhi-Vancouver: reduced from 7 weekly flights to 5 weekly flights
5. Mumbai-Newark: increased from 3 weekly flights to daily operations
6. Delhi-Newark: temporarily suspended
7. Mumbai-New York (JFK): temporarily suspended
8. Delhi-New York (JFK): continues as a daily service
9. Delhi-Washington: route cancelled
EUROPE
1. Delhi-Paris: reduced from 14 weekly flights to 7 weekly flight
2. Delhi-Copenhagen: reduced from 4 weekly flights to 3 weekly flights
3. Delhi-Milan: reduced from 5 weekly flights to 4 weekly flights
4. Delhi-Vienna: reduced from 4 weekly flights to 3 weekly flights
5. Delhi-Zurich: reduced from 4 weekly flights to 3 weekly flights
6. Delhi-Rome: reduced from 4 weekly flights to 3 weekly flights
AUSTRALIA
1. Delhi-Melbourne: reduced from 7 weekly flights to 4 weekly flights
2. Delhi-Sydney: reduced from 7 weekly flights to 4 weekly flights
Thats a long standing cut that was made as a result of the pandemic and since then has only been reinstated for 8 months and ended as a result of the AI crash. BHX has not seen any cuts as a consequence of the 788 refurbishment process unlike all of the routes listed above!BHX has seen cuts though, the 4th weekly was suppose to return and has now been dropped, was meant to be daily flights not 6 weekly
And if you want to be specific….BHX has seen cuts though, the 4th weekly was suppose to return and has now been dropped, was meant to be daily flights not 6 weekly
The 4th weekly was meant to return but was quietly dropped, and if we are talking about capacity over frequency I don't think you can class 50% loads (on a good day) as a win win.Thats a long standing cut that was made as a result of the pandemic and since then has only been reinstated for 8 months and ended as a result of the AI crash. BHX has not seen any cuts as a consequence of the 788 refurbishment process unlike all of the routes listed above!
And if you want to be specific….
6x weekly 777 offer more capacity than 7x weekly 788 in Air India Configs. So this week Air India is offering more capacity out of BHX than they have for nearly 10 years!
Was it quietly dropped? No.The 4th weekly was meant to return but was quietly dropped, and if we are talking about capacity over frequency I don't think you can class 50% loads as a win win.
LGW lost its Kochi flights in Feb 25 and it's Bengaluru flights in October 24 and Goa in June 25, these cuts happened way before the war began, and the only one that can be as a result of external factors was Goa. Bengaluru quite simply moved to LHR, so AI still serve the London market direct from Heathrow.Was it quietly dropped? No.
The 7th weekly rotation was planned to be reintroduced once the schedule returned to an all-787-8 operation. The refurbishment programme - as has been widely reported - has been significantly delayed, meaning the 777s are continuing to operate at BHX and, as a result, there is currently no operational need to reinstate the 7th weekly rotation.
And to be clear, I’m not claiming that a 50% load factor is a “win”. September to date is actually slightly higher at 57%. My point is the overall performance in context:
• Passenger numbers are up in July, August and September 2026 compared with the same months in 2025. That is a win.
• BHX has not lost any capacity over summer 2026, unlike many other international routes. That is a win.
• We have retained the route, while other stations - LGW being an obvious example - have seen their Air India presence significantly reduced. That is a win.
Air India is not a charity, and neither is BHX. Air India will deploy its aircraft where it believes the markets are most important, profitable and commercially viable.
Given the huge loss of 787-8 capacity across the fleet, Air India could quite easily have reduced or cancelled BHX altogether. Instead, they have increased capacity at BHX while cutting capacity to more than 20 other long-haul destinations before reducing BHX. In the fickle world of aviation THAT IS A WIN!
So no, I’m not suggesting a 50% load factor is something to celebrate in isolation.
I’m saying that in the context of what has happened to Air India’s fleet and wider international network, BHX retaining its route, retaining its summer capacity and actually carrying more passengers year-on-year is objectively a positive outcome.
You can argue about whether it is good enough. That’s a different argument.
But calling it anything other than a win in the circumstances completely ignores the wider context.
So 50% loads on a good day and a half empty business cabin with no first sold isn't a concern to you. You just see a big plane and think wowI agree with all that, AI still use 788's and 789's multiple daily flights into LHR, but they have chosen the 77W's for BHX - thats tells you something and a win !
LGW lost its Kochi flights in Feb 25 and it's Bengaluru flights in October 24 and Goa in June 25, these cuts happened way before the war began, and the only one that can be as a result of external factors was Goa. Bengaluru quite simply moved to LHR, so AI still serve the London market direct from Heathrow.
BHX is the same as Gatwick, where their routes are politically driven which is what is keeping them from being cut, nothing else and if the new CEO is going to be as ruthless as people say with cuts network restructuring then there isn't really a scenario where these routes stay, especially when they perform as bad as they are right now.
So 50% loads on a good day and a half empty business cabin with no first sold isn't a concern to you. You just see a big plane and think wow
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