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Thanks all....but wouldn't it have been better to have blamed the aircraft situation (if that's the case) rather than reducing supply at 'poorly performing ' airports if that's the case? And surely it would be more diplomatic in terms of their bases.
Also, Ryanair, as a PLC.....I doubt they'd issue incorrect information knowing that false reporting could effect their financials and share price if it wasnt accurate.
 

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Ryanair are now saying they might start to receive first deliveries of its delayed Boeing 737-MAX's by April. If thats the case hopefully LBA will get its 2nd based aircraft back sooner rather than later than planned.

This seems to be a totally different story then the one put out by the FAA last week.
Not only have the design faults of the two accidents to be sorted out, the tail wiring now has to be re designed for the tail on both the MAX and NG model (hundreds of planes) add in the rotor engine problem and the fact every pilot will need simulator training I think the wrong year included here. The simulator training plan has not even been agreed, it was only last week Boeing agreed it was needed.
How in 3 months you get the programmes and simulators ready, never mind get the pilots trained, give confidence to the general public the plane safe. We dont even know the actual cause of the two accidents and what alterations needed to the aircraft.
Were now seeing in America Boeing employee submission to the company with regard to the aircrafts faults, during the last three years, it does not make easy reading, the open system of American justice wonderful, but without a filter a worry for a frequent flyer like me, if a small percentage of the submissions truthful any trust in Boeing shot to pieces.
The FAA advise was the MAX unlikely to fly in 2020, the new Boeing CEO did not contradict this story, maybe if Wille Walsh does not move to a middle East airline, Boeing may take him on to sort out this mess.
In relation to Ryanair and the Max, at the AGM MOL stated as 50 planes less needed for summer 2020 then planned and extended leasing on the existing fleet had been agreed, no MAX were planned to fly before 2021 as reducing the fleet by 10% well in hand.
 

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Ryanair are now saying they might start to receive first deliveries of its delayed Boeing 737-MAX's by April. If thats the case hopefully LBA will get its 2nd based aircraft back sooner rather than later than planned.

They said that a year ago....and people on here were saying the MAX would be up and flying etc......I wouldn’t be surprised if it was totally scrapped at this rate.
 

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- or alternatively given Ryanair their money back and alternative aircraft have been sourced from other manufacturers. That seems hard to imagine, but could happen if the MAX isn't given its airworthiness approvals by the FAA before long. Other airlines could follow. They simply cannot afford to just stand still waiting for this aircraft to fly again and decisions will have to be made.
Problem is that the Airbus order book for alternative aircraft is full for years ahead so it would be a very long, impractical wait.
 

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Problem is that the Airbus order book for alternative aircraft is full for years ahead so it would be a very long, impractical wait.
True Len - but at some point a decision has to be made doesn't it? The longer they wait for the MAX, the longer they will have to wait for another aircraft type if the MAX doesn't fly. It isn't as though Boeing can offer them anything else in that size now is it? They have put all their eggs in the MAX basket.
 

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Problem is that the Airbus order book for alternative aircraft is full for years ahead so it would be a very long, impractical wait.
Which ever aircraft is bought in the future, we need to know properly checked as fit to fly.
Foolishly I thought the FAA over saw the safety of every Boeing aircraft, we know find out they delegated this responsibility to Boeing, when modifying an existing version.
The EASA basically rubber stamp FAA certification, what measures have they put in place now they know Boeing did all the testing and decided the plane fit to fly.
The same goes for the checking of the Airbus range, full checking of the 737 range has revealed two problems with the NG version, are their any hidden Airbus problems, have their been occasions were EASA has allowed Airbus to self certify a new Airbus version say the new A320.
The contract between South West and Boeing for the Max shows the financial pressures, Boeing contracted to reduce the price by $1 million per aircraft, if no simulator training required for Max pilots, Boeing then managed to convince the FAA no simulator training needed.
It shows the huge training costs and the pressure on the management not to reveal the true scope of the MCAS to the FAA.
 

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Its so telling that the relationship between Leeds/Bradford Airport & Ryanair is not good at the moment when you see them continuing to expand from other side of hill.
3+ more new routes announced from Manchester to Copenhagen (daily), Kerry (twice weekly) and Paris Beauvais (4 times weekly) commencing in March 2020, as part of Ryanair’s extended UK Summer 2020 schedule.
 
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You would have to suspect some financial changes are involved in this decision by Ryanair to reduce services !
 

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It’s crazy to think that we’ve gone from a 3x Ryanair base, 2x Monarch base (that was going to be x3) and 1x TUI base alongside Jet2 and now we just have Jet2 essentially.
 

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I genuinely believe that this was a perfect excuse for Ryanair to slash routes and bases and now they have reduced to a single aircraft, it will remain a single aircraft until such time that they no longer operate a base from LBA. It is absolutely no surprise to find that MAN has announced a number of new routes on the back of losses at LBA. The only reason LBA got a Ryanair base in the first place was because Ryanair was in dispute with MAN. Now that Manchester Airport Group is in charge at Stansted, there was only one way that relationship was going to go for MAN, to the detriment of LBA.

As for the MAX, I can't help feeling that it is dead in the water and it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn in the not too distant future that the aircraft is scrapped, probably along with the 777X. The 787 was an incredibly ground-breaking aircraft but it cost Boeing a heck of a lot of money to produce. Following initial teething problems, it is revolutionising air travel and has influenced products like the A350 and Bombardier C Series/A220. The MAX and the 777X now just look very old fashioned relatively. Boeing started cost cutting left, right and centre after the 787 and this is where they have been left. Even IF they can resolve the problems with the MAX, they face an enormous compensation bill on every single plane they sell, they will probably have to fund all of the training themselves, they will lose orders to Airbus and, EVEN THEN, the company and the airlines will struggle to win over the public when it comes to using the MAX. Let's not undervalue that fact. I reckon there would be a massive fall in ticket sales for the likes of Ryanair if they start using the MAX, particularly if O'Leary publicly pushes for their expedited entry into service. I know he is the King of outlandish statements but even he is not infallible and should be far more wary of the public perception of these aircraft. After all, even before the MAX was taken out of service, airlines were offering refunds to people who didn't wish to travel on them.

Any statement made by O'Leary as to the predicted delivery date of the aircraft should be widely ignored. They are not even being BUILT right now, let alone released to customers. Even if they do come in to service, LBA will not regain the lost routes.
 

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@whoshotjimmi it has just been announced by Boeing that the first 777X aircraft will make is maiden test flight this Thursday, January 23rd 2020, subject to weather and other factors.


Any statement made by O'Leary as to the predicted delivery date of the aircraft should be widely ignored. They are not even being BUILT right now, let alone released to customers. Even if they do come in to service, LBA will not regain the lost routes.
As for the Boeing 737-MAX I understand Boeing have already built at least 20+ of Ryanair's airframes along with 3+ for Buzz which are all parked up in storage at either Boeing Field, Renton or Moses Lake.
 
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I'm going to stand by my statement regarding both the 777X and the MAX, despite Boeing typically trying to prove me wrong just minutes before I offer my sentiments. Recent message releases from Boeing show that there are similar concerns within Boeing about the 777X as the MAX. It's already way behind schedule and customer confidence is at rock bottom. There is A LOT of work to be done on that aircraft and they may well find that coming up with a new design will be more cost effective in the long term, particularly as environmental concerns have suddenly become a massive thing everywhere except in Donald Trump's head. The 777X is a compromise that already looks outdated. Look how quickly the A380 became obsolete as a design and that was a truly innovative design.

As for the MAX, regardless of whether some of the airframes have already been built, Boeing still has to understand exactly what went wrong in both crashes, has to finish designing a fix for the MAX, has to find a way of retrofitting that design to a plan that is already signed off and in production, affix it to their test aircraft, put their test aircraft in the air, resolve any troubles they may find as a result of testing, design simulator training based on the results of the test aircraft, convince the regulators that the aircraft is safe to fly, regain their safety certificate, recall all aircraft already delivered, retrofit every aircraft that has already been built and/or delivered, restart their building, fitting and finishing programme and train every single pilot who will be flying the aircraft.

They won't be delivered in April.

If ever.
 

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@whoshotjimmi it has just been announced by Boeing that the first 777X aircraft will make is maiden test flight this Thursday, January 23rd 2020, subject to weather and other factors.




As for the Boeing 737-MAX I understand Boeing have already built at least 20+ of Ryanair's airframes along with 3+ for Buzz which are all parked up in storage at either Boeing Field, Renton or Moses Lake.
Let's just hope it's not the same software engineering department who did the 737MAX which apparently it is!
 

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Its so telling that the relationship between Leeds/Bradford Airport & Ryanair is not good at the moment when you see them continuing to expand from other side of hill.
3+ more new routes announced from Manchester to Copenhagen (daily), Kerry (twice weekly) and Paris Beauvais (4 times weekly) commencing in March 2020, as part of Ryanair’s extended UK Summer 2020 schedule.
Is it though, If LBA is currently full there isn't the room to expand?
 

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Is it though, If LBA is currently full there isn't the room to expand?
Not true if you do the maths.

I agree LBA was full until it lost 2x Ryanair's, 2x Monarch's and a based Tui aircraft. It was that bad they were parking aircraft overnight on the taxi-ways which we know one airline wasn't happy about.

Sadly LBA will not be full with night stopping aircraft this summer. 18x Jet2 aircraft (15+ operation & 3+ spare) , 1x Ryanair, 1x KLM and a Eastern Airways making 21+ night stoppers on 24 stands. A situation made a whole lot easier without the Boeing 757-200s around as well.
 
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