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BBC News has breaking reports that a FedEx MD11 cargo plane has crashed landed at Narita international airport in Tokyo and bust in to flames.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7958367.stm

Cargo plane crash-lands in Japan

A cargo plane has crash-landed and burst into flames near Tokyo, Japanese media report.

Reports say the accident happened at the main Narita international airport on Monday morning local time.

So far there has been no news of any casualties.

Japan's NHK public broadcaster reported that the plane was a Federal Express Corp flight. It said one runway at Narita was closed after the accident.

Also some video footage has been taken and has been shown on Japanese TV and can be watched on Youtube here.
 
It has been reported that an Air Blue Airbus A321 has crashed near Islamabad. Around 150 passengers were onboard the flight originating from Istanbul in Turkey.
 
I await the report with interest, Air Blue is seen as a very reputable carrier with new aircraft and high safety standards. Strange that everyones attention always seems to be on PIA, its safety standards, procedures and aircraft condition then this Air Blue crash happens.

I do think that besides the massive loss of life Air Blue itself may become a casualty. Why was that A321 flying too low in a no fly area?

This video on the A320 is interesting as it looks at terrain avoidance systems & how the airbus can over-ride pilots if the aircraft is put at risk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBABNL-DDM
 
There is some interesting information about the crash and the airline if you just put 'Islamabad Air Crash' into google. It may change our perception about AirBlue!
 
This incident also reminds me a little about the Air France A320 at the Airshow that flew into the trees. To this day the captain maintains that the aircraft went into landing mode, would not respond to thrust inputs & its anti stall nose down over-ride put the aircraft head on with the tree line.
 
White Heather said:
There is some interesting information about the crash and the airline if you just put 'Islamabad Air Crash' into google. It may change our perception about AirBlue!

All I find is news stories!
Can you share more?!
 
There were news stories in there which stated that AirBlue were struggling financially, were canibalising aircraft to keep others flying, that they refused to arrange flights for the relatives (hence PIA doing it) and that the captain of the flight was a retired PIA captain, in his 60's. That in itself means nothing, but it doesn show that perhaps AirBlue are not quite the up and coming airline we thought and may be having a hard time. Apparently the crashed aircraft was also carrying the crew for the next flight from ISB to MAN, so they will already have flown for 2 hours in this flight before even taking over the aircraft.

I must add that these are reports I read, and like all reports, maybe cannot be totally relied upon, but I am sure that they will be still there and seemed to come from a knowledgable source. I had to read through quite a few before I came across them.
 
As an afterthought, I think any further discussions on this (if there are any) should be on an AirBlue thread as this is now getting off topic and is focusing more on AirBlue than PIA.
 
[textarea]Two killed in hot air balloon crash in Somerset

Two men died when a hot air balloon crashed on a bowling green in Somerset.

The accident happened at about 0930 GMT at Pratten's Bowls Club in Midsomer Norton, near Bath.

Initial fears of a third fatality proved unfounded. No other aircraft and no-one on the ground were involved, investigators said.

An investigation was launched by the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB), with a team of experts making their way to the scene.

Det Insp Mike Williams, of Avon and Somerset Police, said: "An air crash investigation team are currently looking at the circumstances of this incident to establish the cause.

"We would like to speak to anyone who may have seen the balloon in the air before the incident, or witnessed the balloon come to the ground."

Witnesses said flames were seen coming from the basket.

Sarah Andrews said: "I could hear a flapping noise and looked up and there was a balloon. The canopy was collapsing in on itself; it was on fire on one side and the basket was on fire. It was coming down fairly quickly.


It was the first fatal balloon crash in the local area for 40 years "I thought it was about to come through the roof of the house, but it moved on a couple of hundreds yards and thankfully came down in a field away from houses."

She said it was terrifying to watch.

"As soon as it hit the ground, there was no way anyone was going to survive that. The fire was really intense and the gas canisters on the side started to go as well."

Robert Biggs, who was walking with friends, said: "It first sounded like a plane in trouble. It was more of a whistling sound. We looked up, there was a break in the cloud and this hot air balloon came hurtling down."

He said the basket was not intact when it crashed and the canopy was trailing up.

"It came straight down about 400 yards from us. It came down and there it was slap bang in the middle of the bowling green," Mr Biggs said.

Avon Fire Service said the balloon was being monitored by Bristol Air Traffic Control and was believed to have been attempting a high altitude flight at about 20,000ft.

There was a ground crew, containing some family members, who lost the balloon in cloud but arrived on scene soon after the crash.

Two off-duty firefighters from Bath were on a bike ride nearby and saw the balloon but the fire was well developed and they were unable to do anything.

The balloon also contained four liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) cylinders which were venting gas. Crews used three high pressure hose-reels to extinguish the fire.

Don Cameron, who owns Bristol-based Cameron Balloons, said it was difficult to speculate what could have gone wrong, but it was the first fatal balloon crash in the local area for 40 years.

Mr Cameron, who was the race director of last year's ill-fated Gordon Bennett Cup, in which two US competitors went missing and were later found dead off the coast of Italy, said the ballooning community would be in "total shock".

"Everyone who flies balloons in this area are known to each other. It's a dreadful business at the start of the New Year," he said

Source[/textarea]
 
Balloon Fatalities

A very sad day for familes, friends and colleagues.

Bristol is a major centre for ballooning with Cameron Balloons based in the city and the annual International Balloon Fiesta held at Ashton Court on the city outskirts each August when up to half a million people attend the four-day event.

The mass balloon ascents with, if the weather is set, up to 140 baskets in the sky is something to behold especially when the wind takes them over the city. With Bristol being so hilly there are vantage points for spectators away from the site all around the city to watch these mass ascents.

However, if the wind is 'wrong' the ascents can track towards the airport which usually results in early landings (of the balloons, not the aircraft :reallyshocked: ).
 
Just heard news that an aircraft has crashed at Islamabad airport...

Such tragic news!

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17788698

[textarea]Airliner crashes near Islamabad airport

A plane carrying up to 127 people has crashed in a residential area near Islamabad international airport.

Aviation officials said the Bhoja Air plane, flight BHO-213, was flying from Karachi to Islamabad when it crashed in bad weather near Chaklala, Rawalpindi.

It was scheduled to leave Karachi at 17:00 local time (12:00 GMT) and due to arrive at 18:50 (13:50 GMT).

Emergency teams were at the crash site, reported to be near Baria Town residential complex.

Reports suggest the plane, believed to be carrying 118 passengers and nine crew, was making its final approach to the airport when the crash happened.

There have been no reports of any survivors and no comment from the airline.

Defence minister Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhar said it burst into flames before it came down a few miles from the airport.[/textarea]
 
The 20th century witnessed many horrific airplane accidents – the collision of two aircraft in Tenerife in 1977 being amongst the worst. Here is the list of 10 deadliest airplane crashes

5 out of 10 Crashes are of Boeing 747 ...

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Very sad indeed. The Vietnamese Navy have reported wreckage in the sea but nothing has been confirmed. Thoughts and prayers to everyone on board and their families.
 
Indeed Ray, all thoughts with the families and those now discovering the answer to the eternal question.

Safest form of transport... stats don't lie, but there is always the possibility, one which seems to be more prevalent in my mind as i pass through the years, strange really. I have flown regularly all my life without concern, now turning 40 this year and with better knowledge than ever before about aircraft / operations and doubts start to creep in... anyone else find this happening ?
maybe it s due to the old 'more to leave behind' scenario ??
 
Not that there's any nice way to go, an air disaster has to be one of the worst ways to go for sure. I can't even begin to think what it must have been like for the passengers before their lives came to an end with the aircraft potentially spiralling out of control towards the ground. It doesn't bare thinking what those last moments must have been like for them.
 
BSL-2km said:
Indeed Ray, all thoughts with the families and those now discovering the answer to the eternal question.

Safest form of transport... stats don't lie, but there is always the possibility, one which seems to be more prevalent in my mind as i pass through the years, strange really. I have flown regularly all my life without concern, now turning 40 this year and with better knowledge than ever before about aircraft / operations and doubts start to creep in... anyone else find this happening ?
maybe it s due to the old 'more to leave behind' scenario ??

Couldn't agree more. I turn 40 this year too and it's exactly how I feel.
 
.................now turning 40 this year and with better knowledge than ever before about aircraft / operations and doubts start to creep in.... anyone else find this happening ?

I don't feel this way about flying and I'm considerably older than 40. I'm probably too thick to realise the work pilots have to do on occasions to fly their aircraft in extremely challenging conditions.

I have far more faith in the ability of airline pilots, their state of health and the condition of the aircraft than I have with these qualities in the average car driver and vehicle on our roads.

If over 1500 people were killed each year in aircraft incidents in the UK there would be outrage and endless enquiries and wringing of hands by politicians and the chattering classes. Yet that's the number killed on our roads annually, although it used to be much worse - over 5,000 annually in the 1980s.

I do confess to musing occasionally about the likely effects of a derailment at that speed when I've been travelling on Eurostar at 180 mph.

The sombre news today about the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 certainly brings into perspective the huge scale of loss of life when misfortune does befall a large and fully laden passenger aircraft. Obviously everyone's thoughts are with the loved ones of those on board and with the passengers and crew themselves if any or all are still alive.
 
There are breaking reports that the inevitable has happened, an "oil-slick" has apparently been found off the coast of Vietnam but nothing has officially been confirmed.

They mentioned it on the opening headlines on BBC but nothing has been put onto an online article on their website.

An informative list though on some of the major Air Disasters have been compiled into a timeline on the BBC website, it's not a new list though - last updated last month:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-10785301

Thoughts with the family's and relatives.
 

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