Potential Routes

[Silvercity]

I think that is CWLs problem, persuading airlines like TUI and Thomas Cook to favour it over Bristol especially in the Newport area. I know TUI have expanded but BRS will always be their priority and Thomas Cook although offering more seats per flight with a bigger aircraft have cut the amount of flights rather than adding more.
A lot of people criticise CWL for it's lack of routes and frequencies on the routes it has but it can only provide what the airlines and holiday companies want to provide and if they choose to prioritise their flights and packages from other airports then i don't see what else they can do.

Liverpool had a similar problem in the past , charter airlines were reluctant to offer many if any departures and when they did local travel agents were not always very tuned in to what was on offer from LPL and offered MAN.

In the end they were all leapfrogged with the arrival on Easyjet and Ryanair. They proved that given the choice people are more than happy to fly from Liverpool. The travel agents and tour operators lost out.

 

[Jerry]

Liverpool had a similar problem in the past , charter airlines were reluctant to offer many if any departures and when they did local travel agents were not always very tuned in to what was on offer from LPL and offered MAN.

In the end they were all leapfrogged with the arrival on Easyjet and Ryanair. They proved that given the choice people are more than happy to fly from Liverpool. The travel agents and tour operators lost out.

Liverpool is an interesting airport as by the logic that gets applied to Cardiff when basing for say Easyjet and Ryanair gets mentioned neither of them should be at liverpool as they should be protecting their Manchester operations. I know they both based their before they based at Manchester and there will be differences but it does suggest that a smaller base for at least one of them may work at Cardiff.

 

[superking]

Before Easyjet turned up at MAN,Liverpool had it in writing from Easyjet that they would not harm services from Liverpool it worked. I don't know what services easy do from Man that they do in LPL now. I would think that agreement would be gone by now.It does show deals can be done in some shape or form.

 

[Jerry]

Before Easyjet turned up at MAN,Liverpool had it in writing from Easyjet that they would not harm services from Liverpool it worked. I don't know what services easy do from Man that they do in LPL now. I would think that agreement would be gone by now.It does show deals can be done in some shape or form.

I often wonder if there is similar deal in place at Bristol with Easyjet. An exclusivity clause or something.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

Thomas Cook are a different market. They won't want just scheduled passengers, so they would need the logistics of additional hotel rooms and transfers etc. It's not beyond the realms of possibility, but unlikely to be influenced by the loss of FR.

Norwegian again isn't out of the question, but at the same time are they in a position to be expanding in to unknown markets (to them). They only fly to TFS from LGW in the UK, and would only really bring TFS to the table as an away base unless basing at CWL. The question would then be, is it worth it for 1-2 flights a week?

 

[Silvercity]

Liverpool is an interesting airport as by the logic that gets applied to Cardiff when basing for say Easyjet and Ryanair gets mentioned neither of them should be at liverpool as they should be protecting their Manchester operations. I know they both based their before they based at Manchester and there will be differences but it does suggest that a smaller base for at least one of them may work at Cardiff.

As I understand it outside London the NW is the second biggest market in the UK , this is probably why they have bases at both airports. Certainly LoCo flights have been long established at Liverpool and well supported.

 

[Jerry]

Would be nice if Cardiff was included in Loganairs expansion!
“Despite these changes, next week we’re set to commence four new routes from Aberdeen and East Midlands and plan to announce a series of additional routes across our network next month.”

Loganair: schedule changes ahead – Business Traveller

Among the cuts include a reduction in services from the recently opened Carlisle airport to Belfast and Dublin…

www.businesstraveller.com

 

[Nuffsaid]

That would be great if they added CWL to their network, twice daily ABZ-MAN-CWL and twice daily GLA-LBA-CWL. A shot in the dark but the airport was looking for PSO routes.

 

[Jerry]

That would be great if they added CWL to their network, twice daily ABZ-MAN-CWL and twice daily GLA-LBA-CWL. A shot in the dark but the airport was looking for PSO routes.

Yep it was but the UK government refused to forward them onwards to the EU. Personally I think the most we can hope for is Glasgow. Though I was told a while ago that before the recession that the airport was looking to add Derry to their route list around the time of Ryanair dropping Dublin which i admit was a while ago! Whether the current management would be interested in adding that I don't know. Another possibility could be Newcastle as Eastern seem to be only using it as a positioning flight now for the Anglesey route.

 

[Jerry]

I'm probably reading too much into this but on the other forum it appears to me that someone might have hinted that Loganair could launch Newcastle to Cardiff or Newquay or Exeter but like I said I'm probably reading too much into it and grasping at straws for any potential positives for Cardiff!

 

[superking]

Im reading same as you and by whats said STN or SEN look favourite for the route. It would be good to get a route to NCL direct with onward to ABZ. There is a huge hole on that side and I recon it needs filling from CWL.ABZ or INV would be good for a direct service. We should I think it will find out later today,or is it roumers that a new route to be announced.

 

[Jerry]

Im reading same as you and by whats said STN or SEN look favourite for the route. It would be good to get a route to NCL direct with onward to ABZ. There is a huge hole on that side and I recon it needs filling from CWL.ABZ or INV would be good for a direct service. We should I think it will find out later today,or is it roumers that a new route to be announced.

Like you I think Southend would be favourite as airlines seem to love the place lately! Would be nice though if Cardiff got something from loganair Glasgow maybe. The airport needs the positive pr.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

T3 have been stagnant on the route for years. It's always been a terrible ageing J41 on the route, the onward to ABZ was soon cut, and prices are generally sky high with only some of their fares qualifying for Lounge access. The only benefit was it was double daily until recently.
For Loganair, it's only 19 more seats to fill and on a jet. If they can bring prices down then it has potential, although can't see them going double daily.

 

[Jerry]

T3 have been stagnant on the route for years. It's always been a terrible ageing J41 on the route, the onward to ABZ was soon cut, and prices are generally sky high with only some of their fares qualifying for Lounge access. The only benefit was it was double daily until recently.
For Loganair, it's only 19 more seats to fill and on a jet. If they can bring prices down then it has potential, although can't see them going double daily.

I think for Eastern now the Newcastle route is just onsale positioning flights for the aircraft that operates the Anglesey route. If it wasn't for VLY I'd wouldn't be surprised if they would've dropped it by now. Also Eastern haven't been in a great position as a company so now at least having a relationship with Loganair could mean that if Eastern did fold then potentially there would be a replacement for the Anglesey route already at the airport.

 

[Jerry]

So apparently in their press release for the Newcastle routes loganair have said there is more to be launched from there. So fingers crossed for NCL-CWL.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I often wonder if there is similar deal in place at Bristol with Easyjet. An exclusivity clause or something.

I've never heard any whispers along those lines re easyJet and BRS.

Last night my wife and I were returning home from BRS in an airport-accredited taxi. The driver mentioned how unpleasantly busy BRS can become at times and said that CWL ought to take some of the passengers who begin and end their journeys in Wales in order to ease the pressure on BRS. He went on to say that CWL was to blame because they fell out with easyJet some years ago who then moved to BRS.

I asked him to repeat because I thought I had misunderstood. I told him that easyJet had never operated from CWL and briefly outlined their BRS history, ie buying GoFly and developing BRS from that. I could tell he wan't convinced I knew what I was talking about but seemed to decide that arguing with a passenger was not good business so let the subject drop.

It again shows what some people will get into their heads and be convinced is the truth with a dogged refusal to be shaken of their belief. He also said that another airline had briefly taken on the BRS-NYC route after Continental had axed the BRS-EWR route. I didn't bother to argue.

 

[Jerry]

again shows what some people will get into their heads and be convinced is the truth with a dogged refusal to be shaken of their belief. He also said that another airline had briefly taken on the BRS-NYC route after Continental had axed the BRS-EWR route. I didn't bother to argue.

I wonder if he's confusing Easyjet with Ryanair? As Ryanair left CWL after wanting a rate drop and the management saying no as they believed it would make the route unprofitable for the airport.

Going a bit off track I've also noticed on social media that certain people who are quick to comment when there's bad news haven't commented at all about the loganair announcement!

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I wonder if he's confusing Easyjet with Ryanair? As Ryanair left CWL after wanting a rate drop and the management saying no as they believed it would make the route unprofitable for the airport.

Going a bit off track I've also noticed on social media that certain people who are quick to comment when there's bad news haven't commented at all about the loganair announcement!

No, it was easyJet he was talking about. He mentioned Ryanair pulling out of CWL over ten years ago. He got that right.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

I seem to remember someone saying Go had looked at CWL and BRS before they chose BRS. Maybe that's where it came from. I would've thought CWL would've been the ones pushing for them rather than Go having CWL as a serious contender.
It would be ironic if LM expanded at CWL given the links with LM and BMI

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I seem to remember someone saying Go had looked at CWL and BRS before they chose BRS. Maybe that's where it came from. I would've thought CWL would've been the ones pushing for them rather than Go having CWL as a serious contender.
It would be ironic if LM expanded at CWL given the links with LM and BMI

Go looked at many airports when it came to choosing their second base after Stansted.

All that was revealed publicly was the final short-list. In her book about the airline the Go CEO Barbara Cassani explained that consultants acting for the airline (without revealing its identity) 'cast the net widely across Europe'. In the end a short-list comprising East Midlands, Newcastle, Edinburgh/Glasgow (not made clear whether this would have been a dual-base) and Bristol was drawn up.

Cassani said that the BRS catchment along the 'populous Thames Valley corridor' with the West Country 'full of well-off older people with time to spare' was 'ripe for picking' so BRS was chosen.

The deal nearly foundered at the eleventh hour when BRS tried to levy a capital charge to assist with the payment of additional airport infrastructure. Cassani told John Parkin, the then BRS CEO, that such a levy would be a 'deal breaker'. BRS quietly dropped the proposal. Had they not done so and Go had gone to one of the others on the short-list (they did eventually through easyJet) who knows what the state of Severnside aviation would be now?