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Games between Bath and Bristol have always been well attended ,but they have not played a league game for a few years as Bristol was promoted last season. Im not so sure about the figures quoted by wiki as I and like many other people cant believe what is put on there,thats why I never look or post on wiki. I think I will wait and see the true number of spectators that attended after the game. Ashton gate is 27,000 all seater stadium with extra extensions with seating if needed.
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The crowd number comes from a rugby journalist not wiki.
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https://www.bristolbearsrugby.com/news/club-record-attendance-for-west-country-derby/
Bristol last played Bath two seasons ago in the Prem. I think the crowd was around 20,000. Until Twickenham began to be used for double-header Prem matches and Wasps moved to the Ricoh Arena in Coventry a Bristol v Bath Prem fixture boasted the highest attendance for a club match in England.
I was expecting a sell-out for the forthcoming match - another week yet to sell the remaining tickets.
It was played at Ashton Gate probably at least 15 years ago. Before coming under the wing of Bristol Sport and moving to Ashton Gate, Bristol would sometimes play high profile club matches at Ashton Gate as the Memorial Ground or Stadium as it's now called (The Mem, or The Minimal as many Bristol City fans refer to it now it's solely the home of Bristol Rovers) had too small a capacity.
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https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/plans-conference-centre-hotel-housing-1928452
Legal & General have already come up with alternative plans for 'Arena Island' at Temple if the mayor plumps for Filton as the site of the proposed Bristol Arena.
L & G's vision shows a 345-bedroom hotel, a conference centre, two major Grade A office buidings and 550 homes on the five-acre site.
That's all it seems to be at the moment: a vision. There are no details regarding timescale. L & G is already a major investor in the wider Temple Quarter development.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/business/redcliff-quarter-scheme-include-hotel-1930137
More details about the latest phase of the £250 million Redcliffe Quarter development will include apartments to rent, a 239-bed hotel, eight independent restaurants, a foodhall, a co-working space similar to the Engine Shed and new road layouts. There is also planning consent for a 23-storey building. Traditionally Bristol has a penchant for low-rise buildings.
I note yet another new hotel to go with new ones planned in the second phase of the Wapping Wharf development and a further one if the Legal & General plans for Arena Island come to fruition. That's on top of a new hotel announced earlier this week that will use the frontage of the iconic Edward Everard building in Broad Steet in Old City, which is a few yards away from the Guidhall where the Osborne Group of Bath is developing a 5-star hotel across the road from one of Bristol's traditional hotels, The Mercure Grand. Just around the corner in Corn Street the Harbour Hotel and Spa was opened last year in two old bank buildings along with the adjacent associated Jetty Restaurant that was opened about the same time last year as the Harbour Hotel and Spa. The nearest harbour/jetty is over a quarter of a mile away so the names are something of a liberty.
Over the past 10-15 years Bristol, like a number of other cities, has seen new build hotels or buidings converted to new hotels springing up at an incredible rate. The same applies to restaurants. Before Gaol Ferry Steps at one end of the Wapping Wharf development was opened with its plethora of new restaurants together with the adjacent Cargo2 which houses well over a dozen restaurants with more planned, Bristol was already amply provided for with eateries in all ranges. Now Redcliffe Quarter will see another eight restaurants enter the mix with other developments also adding to the gastronomic scene. At least it keeps the local paper busy because a week never seems to pass without news of a restaurant closure or a new one opening. Surely the city must be approaching its absolute limit of available stomachs.
Legal & General have already come up with alternative plans for 'Arena Island' at Temple if the mayor plumps for Filton as the site of the proposed Bristol Arena.
L & G's vision shows a 345-bedroom hotel, a conference centre, two major Grade A office buidings and 550 homes on the five-acre site.
That's all it seems to be at the moment: a vision. There are no details regarding timescale. L & G is already a major investor in the wider Temple Quarter development.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/business/redcliff-quarter-scheme-include-hotel-1930137
More details about the latest phase of the £250 million Redcliffe Quarter development will include apartments to rent, a 239-bed hotel, eight independent restaurants, a foodhall, a co-working space similar to the Engine Shed and new road layouts. There is also planning consent for a 23-storey building. Traditionally Bristol has a penchant for low-rise buildings.
I note yet another new hotel to go with new ones planned in the second phase of the Wapping Wharf development and a further one if the Legal & General plans for Arena Island come to fruition. That's on top of a new hotel announced earlier this week that will use the frontage of the iconic Edward Everard building in Broad Steet in Old City, which is a few yards away from the Guidhall where the Osborne Group of Bath is developing a 5-star hotel across the road from one of Bristol's traditional hotels, The Mercure Grand. Just around the corner in Corn Street the Harbour Hotel and Spa was opened last year in two old bank buildings along with the adjacent associated Jetty Restaurant that was opened about the same time last year as the Harbour Hotel and Spa. The nearest harbour/jetty is over a quarter of a mile away so the names are something of a liberty.
Over the past 10-15 years Bristol, like a number of other cities, has seen new build hotels or buidings converted to new hotels springing up at an incredible rate. The same applies to restaurants. Before Gaol Ferry Steps at one end of the Wapping Wharf development was opened with its plethora of new restaurants together with the adjacent Cargo2 which houses well over a dozen restaurants with more planned, Bristol was already amply provided for with eateries in all ranges. Now Redcliffe Quarter will see another eight restaurants enter the mix with other developments also adding to the gastronomic scene. At least it keeps the local paper busy because a week never seems to pass without news of a restaurant closure or a new one opening. Surely the city must be approaching its absolute limit of available stomachs.
I live in Weston Super Mare and was out in the garden last Saturday afternoon and aircraft roar caught my attention and kept looking with 5 red arrows in formation came from the south west way with 4 more arrows not far behind also in formation. They went out over the Bristol channel towards Wales.I would think they did a display in the south west area some where.They headed North and would think a display that way or in Wales some where.I would think they were at a height of 2000 feet.
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Don't know what that was. Nothing on the Red Arrows website that seems to fit.
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Bristol 17 Bath 10 this evening. Crowd was 26,079, a record for Bristol.
Not a pretty game apparently and Bristol reportedly ground out the victory. They've played Bath four times in the Premiership at Ashton Gate and won all four. In fact, the clubs have played each other 241 times since the first fixture in 1888, with Bristol winning 133 and Bath 89 - the others presumably drawn.
A better start then than their previous opening fixture in the Prem two years ago when they lost to a last-minute try at Harlequins that by common consent should have been disallowed.
If Bristol can stay up this season - always a mighty task for the promoted club - their resources and support ought to stand them in good stead in future years.
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That's a good start and a good crowd! I was watching Cardiff Blues and they lost by a point 33-32 to Leinster. Crowd was over 9000 as well which is a good start to the season!
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I was driving over the Severn bridge yesterday heading into England and noticed a lot of hot air balloons in the sky above the Bristol and Bath area. Was there some sort of event going on? Looked really picturesque!
Not seen any thing about a hot air balloon event. The only thing I can think is with the weather not been kind to bsaloons that the weather was good for them yesterday and the balloon companies that charge for flights tried to catch up on flights that had been cancelled.When the weather is kind for balloons there is many that use Ashton court for setting up balloons and launching from there.
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The ceo of first group was interviewed on the radio about the metro this morning. The biggest bulls--t quote I have heard was first is not in running buses to make money,but just to cover their costs.Im sure the share holders would not be happy to hear this.If I was a share holder then the first thing I would be doing this morning would be to sell my shares in first group.
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I don't know of any particular event. The winds were very light yesterday so I imagine a lot of balloonists took advantage. We live on the south-east edge of Bristol and often see balloons in the sky coming from the Ashton Court area or from Bath depending on wind direction. It's not uncommon to see ten or more on a still summer evening.
I heard an interview too. My thoughts were as yours. I don't know whether the interviewee I heard was the same as yours but mine was James Freeman, the managing director of First West of England, and he said that they were looking to cover costs rather than make a profit on the route. If all his routes did just that First West of England would have a serious problem.
Given that about every four months First invariably has a major shake-up of bus routes in and around Bristol (the latest takes effect from today) because some are not performing to expectations and the cash-strapped local authorities are more and more reducing or axing subsidies, the comment that almost amounts to altruism is difficult to take seriously. I think he was trying to make the point that, unlike the 903 park and ride service that the M2 replaces, the Metrobus service receives no local authority subsidy.
James Freeman is actually a busman through and through having begun his career at Bath many years ago. He sometimes does question and answer sessions about the local buses on Radio Bristol and is usually very informative.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/metrobus-m2-launches-details-route-1893067
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I used the M2 today. I caught the 1342 hours departure at Temple Way at the stop outside the University of Law building. This stop is labelled ‘Temple Meads’ despite the fact that it’s a five-minute walk from the station. The bus was five minutes late. I managed to bag a front seat upstairs.
We made our way around the anti-clockwise circuit of the central areas which includes five stops between Temple Way and Redcliffe Hill, excluding these two.
We arrived at the Redcliffe Church roundabout 19 minutes after leaving Temple Way but the major roadworks at Redcliffe Way and the Temple Meads area (now half way through their two and a half year duration) were causing traffic to back up to the roundabout which was doubtless the reason for the bus being delayed en route to Temple Way earlier on in the circuit. It took us three minutes to clear the roundabout; thereafter the route was clear all the way to Long Ashton Park and Ride.
The route goes around the Bedminster Bridge system then along Commercial Road, past the major General Hospital development, and along Cumberland Road where I noted that phase 2 of the Wapping Wharf development is now beginning in earnest. There are two stops in Cumberland Road.
At its junction with Avon Crescent the route takes to the dedicated busway section for the final phase of the journey. There are three stops on the dedicated section, one labelled ‘Ashton Gate’ although it’s a quarter a mile from the football ground and the buses won’t be operating when evening matches finish.
We arrived at Ashton Vale at 1423, which was eleven minutes behind schedule and a journey time of 36 minutes from Temple Way. The timetable shows it should be accomplished in 30 minutes. The bus was about two thirds full when it arrived at Ashton Vale.
In the best traditions of Bristol bus services which always seem to like to travel at least in twos, our M2 this afternoon was no exception. The frequency is supposed to be every 12 minutes but the following bus caught us up and overtook us at one point, albeit we regained the lead and arrived at Ashton Vale one minute ahead of it which arrived bang on time at 1424.
So time-keeping is obviously a bit variable; we were eleven minutes late at destination but the following bus arrived on time. The horrendous traffic situation in the Temple area is going to be a problem for another year so.
Now I have a riddle to be answered that so far I’ve been unable to find an answer from anyone. It is this.
The dedicated busway is just over one and a half miles long (vide Google Earth). However, the guided busway sections run for less than half this length. There are five of them.
Travelling towards Ashton Vale the first is the single track section over the old Ashton Swing Bridge which is no more than 100 yards long. Immediately after this is the longest section running for about a quarter of a mile. The next one is not encountered until well after the high level twisty bridge near the football ground and is about 200 yards long. The final two are at intervals towards the Park and Ride and neither is much longer than 100 yards.
The rest of the dedicated busway has no guides so why do these sections require them? It’s possible that the Ashton Swing Bridge does but the others are on straight or nearly straight bits of busway whereas there are some bends that have no guides at all. The trickiest part of the busway is the twisty bridge which might benefit from guides but it has none.
I don’t know how much the guided sections cost but I do know they were the main reason for the start of the service being put back for nearly a year because they or the buses were of the wrong width, and it cost the incredible amount of £200,000 of public money to put them right.
There is a footpath that runs along the side of the busway between Ashton Vale and Ashton Gate which I walked along on my return to get a measured and closer look at the busway and the guided sections. I could still see no reason why some parts of the busway have guides but others don’t. They actually slow the journey because the buses slow down to enter the guided sections, a bit like some Swiss and other trains do when they enter a rack section.
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Since posting this an hour ago I've read this report in today's Bristol Post which makes the same point as me about the intermittent guided busway sections and the need to slow the buses to enter. It seems the original plan was to have the entire busway section as guided but they changed their mind. The report is not conclusive as to why some sections still remain and I'm amazed that no local politican has raised the question of apparent unnecessary and expensive guided sections.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/seven-odd-things-learned-first-1966383
I used the M2 today. I caught the 1342 hours departure at Temple Way at the stop outside the University of Law building. This stop is labelled ‘Temple Meads’ despite the fact that it’s a five-minute walk from the station. The bus was five minutes late. I managed to bag a front seat upstairs.
We made our way around the anti-clockwise circuit of the central areas which includes five stops between Temple Way and Redcliffe Hill, excluding these two.
We arrived at the Redcliffe Church roundabout 19 minutes after leaving Temple Way but the major roadworks at Redcliffe Way and the Temple Meads area (now half way through their two and a half year duration) were causing traffic to back up to the roundabout which was doubtless the reason for the bus being delayed en route to Temple Way earlier on in the circuit. It took us three minutes to clear the roundabout; thereafter the route was clear all the way to Long Ashton Park and Ride.
The route goes around the Bedminster Bridge system then along Commercial Road, past the major General Hospital development, and along Cumberland Road where I noted that phase 2 of the Wapping Wharf development is now beginning in earnest. There are two stops in Cumberland Road.
At its junction with Avon Crescent the route takes to the dedicated busway section for the final phase of the journey. There are three stops on the dedicated section, one labelled ‘Ashton Gate’ although it’s a quarter a mile from the football ground and the buses won’t be operating when evening matches finish.
We arrived at Ashton Vale at 1423, which was eleven minutes behind schedule and a journey time of 36 minutes from Temple Way. The timetable shows it should be accomplished in 30 minutes. The bus was about two thirds full when it arrived at Ashton Vale.
In the best traditions of Bristol bus services which always seem to like to travel at least in twos, our M2 this afternoon was no exception. The frequency is supposed to be every 12 minutes but the following bus caught us up and overtook us at one point, albeit we regained the lead and arrived at Ashton Vale one minute ahead of it which arrived bang on time at 1424.
So time-keeping is obviously a bit variable; we were eleven minutes late at destination but the following bus arrived on time. The horrendous traffic situation in the Temple area is going to be a problem for another year so.
Now I have a riddle to be answered that so far I’ve been unable to find an answer from anyone. It is this.
The dedicated busway is just over one and a half miles long (vide Google Earth). However, the guided busway sections run for less than half this length. There are five of them.
Travelling towards Ashton Vale the first is the single track section over the old Ashton Swing Bridge which is no more than 100 yards long. Immediately after this is the longest section running for about a quarter of a mile. The next one is not encountered until well after the high level twisty bridge near the football ground and is about 200 yards long. The final two are at intervals towards the Park and Ride and neither is much longer than 100 yards.
The rest of the dedicated busway has no guides so why do these sections require them? It’s possible that the Ashton Swing Bridge does but the others are on straight or nearly straight bits of busway whereas there are some bends that have no guides at all. The trickiest part of the busway is the twisty bridge which might benefit from guides but it has none.
I don’t know how much the guided sections cost but I do know they were the main reason for the start of the service being put back for nearly a year because they or the buses were of the wrong width, and it cost the incredible amount of £200,000 of public money to put them right.
There is a footpath that runs along the side of the busway between Ashton Vale and Ashton Gate which I walked along on my return to get a measured and closer look at the busway and the guided sections. I could still see no reason why some parts of the busway have guides but others don’t. They actually slow the journey because the buses slow down to enter the guided sections, a bit like some Swiss and other trains do when they enter a rack section.
Addendum
Since posting this an hour ago I've read this report in today's Bristol Post which makes the same point as me about the intermittent guided busway sections and the need to slow the buses to enter. It seems the original plan was to have the entire busway section as guided but they changed their mind. The report is not conclusive as to why some sections still remain and I'm amazed that no local politican has raised the question of apparent unnecessary and expensive guided sections.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/seven-odd-things-learned-first-1966383
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Arena
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-arena-not-city-centre-1968999
No arena for Bristol then. Mayor Rees has officially announced today what everyone has known for several months. Despite many millions of pounds of public money already spent on the project, including a multi-million pound bridge to nowhere, he believes the site can give better value with flats, offices, retail, yet another new hotel (I've lost count of the number built, being built or in the planning stage) and a conference centre.
There are no specific plans for the site, just vague suggestions. What is certain is that it will be many years before anything is completed with rail passengers continuing to view the large, desolate area of ground that used to be the Bath Road locomotive shed in the days of steam (how I remember it).
The mayor seems willing to let YTL look at turning the Brabazon hangar at Filton into an arena. The site is in Bristol but the hinterland is in South Gloucestershire. YTL wants Bristol and South Gloucestershire councils to spend many tens of millions of pounds on improving rail and roads in the area. Even if they did (and Bristol council tax payers would be helping to fund something that would largely benefit South Gloucestershire) there is no certainty that plans would be approved. The secretary of state would almost certainly call them in and it's entirely arguable that an arena there would contravene legislation that requires city centre sites to be given priority over out of town sites for major schemes such as an arena.
The company that was given the contract for the Temple Arena is making noises about taking legal action against the city council, and others might seek a judicial review as many believe the mayor's stance on the entire arena question represents an attack on the democratic process.
In the end the city could end up paying out many millions in compensation and legal fees.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-arena-not-city-centre-1968999
No arena for Bristol then. Mayor Rees has officially announced today what everyone has known for several months. Despite many millions of pounds of public money already spent on the project, including a multi-million pound bridge to nowhere, he believes the site can give better value with flats, offices, retail, yet another new hotel (I've lost count of the number built, being built or in the planning stage) and a conference centre.
There are no specific plans for the site, just vague suggestions. What is certain is that it will be many years before anything is completed with rail passengers continuing to view the large, desolate area of ground that used to be the Bath Road locomotive shed in the days of steam (how I remember it).
The mayor seems willing to let YTL look at turning the Brabazon hangar at Filton into an arena. The site is in Bristol but the hinterland is in South Gloucestershire. YTL wants Bristol and South Gloucestershire councils to spend many tens of millions of pounds on improving rail and roads in the area. Even if they did (and Bristol council tax payers would be helping to fund something that would largely benefit South Gloucestershire) there is no certainty that plans would be approved. The secretary of state would almost certainly call them in and it's entirely arguable that an arena there would contravene legislation that requires city centre sites to be given priority over out of town sites for major schemes such as an arena.
The company that was given the contract for the Temple Arena is making noises about taking legal action against the city council, and others might seek a judicial review as many believe the mayor's stance on the entire arena question represents an attack on the democratic process.
In the end the city could end up paying out many millions in compensation and legal fees.
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He does, doesn't he?
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Inevitably the subject of Radio Bristol's daily phone-in this morning was the arena. I heard the opening comments but then didn't bother with the rest. However, the presenter began with the longstanding local urban myth telling us not that Filton's runway was the largest in the UK (which is the usual tale) but the largest in Europe this time. It was 2,600 metres long.
How the local news media ever got it into their heads the idea that it was the longest in the country I have no idea but they've been saying it for decades. A moment's thought would have revealed the inaccuracy of the statement because Concorde had to go to RAF Fairford for much of its early testing because the Filton runway was not long enough.
Mayor Rees has given Legal & General six months exclusivity to come up with a workable plan for the arena site but his Labour colleague, Paul Smith, who is the cabinet member for housing said he doesn't think Legal & General's track record for affordable housing makes them a suitable organisation for the city to partner in such a large undertaking; yet more harmony amongst the city's senior elected representatives.
How the local news media ever got it into their heads the idea that it was the longest in the country I have no idea but they've been saying it for decades. A moment's thought would have revealed the inaccuracy of the statement because Concorde had to go to RAF Fairford for much of its early testing because the Filton runway was not long enough.
Mayor Rees has given Legal & General six months exclusivity to come up with a workable plan for the arena site but his Labour colleague, Paul Smith, who is the cabinet member for housing said he doesn't think Legal & General's track record for affordable housing makes them a suitable organisation for the city to partner in such a large undertaking; yet more harmony amongst the city's senior elected representatives.
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https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/severn-bridge-toll-scrap-bristol-1978824
Oh dear, there is now a political row about the removal of the Severn Bridge tolls. There has been a lot of talk in recent months about the effect it will have on Bristol with gridlock forecast at times. A Bristol Labour MP whose constituency is likely to suffer made his feelings known in parliament with a question to the minister, and said a traffic impact study should have been carried out before the toll removal decision was taken.
He wasn't best pleased with the minister's answer which was to the effect that it would benefit the Welsh economy and save money for motorists. The Bristol MP then tweeted, "I support Wales but don’t tell me to ‘stuff Bristol’!”
After the removal of Bristol rail electrification with the chancellor twice telling Bristolians 'to get over it', and the unsurprising broken promise from the transport minister that money saved on the electrification cancellation would be used instead on local rail projects in and around the city, some people will believe the government is 'stuffing' the city, the only English city outside London that contributes more to the Treasury than it receives.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/liam-fox-held-first-board-622667
There is no doubt that the eastbound M4 between the Severn Crossings/Almondsbury Interchange and junction 19 for the M32, already suffers long delays in the mornings. With more and more people seemingly commuting from south-east Wales to Bristol the problem is certainly likely to worsen.
Oh dear, there is now a political row about the removal of the Severn Bridge tolls. There has been a lot of talk in recent months about the effect it will have on Bristol with gridlock forecast at times. A Bristol Labour MP whose constituency is likely to suffer made his feelings known in parliament with a question to the minister, and said a traffic impact study should have been carried out before the toll removal decision was taken.
He wasn't best pleased with the minister's answer which was to the effect that it would benefit the Welsh economy and save money for motorists. The Bristol MP then tweeted, "I support Wales but don’t tell me to ‘stuff Bristol’!”
After the removal of Bristol rail electrification with the chancellor twice telling Bristolians 'to get over it', and the unsurprising broken promise from the transport minister that money saved on the electrification cancellation would be used instead on local rail projects in and around the city, some people will believe the government is 'stuffing' the city, the only English city outside London that contributes more to the Treasury than it receives.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/liam-fox-held-first-board-622667
There is no doubt that the eastbound M4 between the Severn Crossings/Almondsbury Interchange and junction 19 for the M32, already suffers long delays in the mornings. With more and more people seemingly commuting from south-east Wales to Bristol the problem is certainly likely to worsen.
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