Emirates

[Aviador]

I'm not sure what the rules are but I think the flight can continue to it's destination but then another crew member would need to be found before the aircraft could depart again.

 

[Ash]

Has EK finally stagnated at BHX? Provisional CAA stats for September show a 3% decrease year on year. This was the only drop out of all the UK airports. The key question is, is this fall due to more 3-class aircraft being used for operational reasons? Or are the 3-class 77W being used due to lower than normal bookings?

Cause or effect?

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Do you know if the 3-class 777s are advertised as such well in advance on the days they operate with first-class seats sold, or do some fortunate punters find themselves moved from business to first on the day if a flight is full or nearly so?

In November 2010 my wife and I flew with Emirates from BHX to Melbourne via Dubai. The long haul specialist travel agent that we use found some excellent premium cabin deals from BHX then because Emirates were pushing BHX premium seats from all BS (Bristol) post codes.

Last year and this year we were hoping for the same but the best Emirates deals were from Gatwick so we booked via that airport. BHX is convenient for us but because EK provides chauffeured cars the extra distance to Gatwick from Bristol is not a serious factor, although the M4 and M 25 are pains even when someone else is doing the driving.

Perhaps next year they will be pushing BHX again if the passenger numbers are reducing slightly. I hope so because we enjoyed passing through BHX.

 

[Ash]

They don't sell the F class seats on the BHX route when 3-class is operating. I have read that it is occasionally possible to get an upgrade to a First seat (albeit with business class service) if you have booked a business seat, but it is never guaranteed as sometimes the F cabin will be simply cordoned off and used by the crew.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Thank you for that clarification, Ash.

 

[Ash]

Minor bit of news really, but the Qantas partnership has come into force today.

BHX now bookable on the QF website and showing on the route map.

Codeshares are:
QF8037
QF8038
QF8039
QF8040

No prizes for guessing which EK services they correspond to!
Hopefully this should help loads a bit.

 

[Aviador]

The extra connectivity can only be a good thing.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Emirates Airline eyes UK to US direct flights

By Shane McGinley
Tuesday, 23 July 2013 10:29 AM

Dubai’s Emirates Airline has not ruled out entering the competitive transatlantic market, currently dominated by British Airways and Virgin Atlantic, and offer flights from Dubai to the US via the UK.

Emirates’ UK vice president Laurie Berryman said the Dubai carrier has seen “strong demand” and last year carried 800,000 passengers on its routes in and out of its hubs in the north of England.

“Glasgow is double daily and we upped the aircraft size. Newcastle went from an Airbus to a B777, so we are growing capacity there as well. Birmingham is twice daily, and one of the Manchester flights is an A380, with the other two being B777s,” Berryman was quoted as saying in an interview with trade publication Buying Business Travel.

Emirates in October will launch flights from Dubai to New York via Milan and Berryman hinted, if it could gain regulatory approval, it might not be long before the carrier enters the transatlantic market and offers flights from Dubai to the US via northern England.

“We do hold some rights out of the regions, so I would never say never. One of the things we are keen to say to the Davies Commission [UK Airports Commission], to relieve pressure on the south-east, is why don’t we make all the regional airports completely open skies, so anyone can fly anywhere. Heathrow sits in the south of England, but Manchester has a bigger catchment area in terms of a two-hour drive,” he said in the interview when questioned on the issue.

The transatlantic market is dominated by the likes of UK carriers British Airways and Virgin Atlantic and US players Delta Air Lines and American Airways. Aviation analyst Saj Ahmad, chief analyst at StrategicAero Research, said there is still obvious demand in the market for Emirates to capitalise on.
“With Emirates carrying over 800,000 passengers out of just four UK regional hubs, it is evident that there is more than enough brisk demand to launch direct flights to the USA from cities that the likes of BA do not operate long haul services from and that too would raise the appeal of Emirates.

“Emirates could flood the North Atlantic with swathes of Airbus A380s and 777-300ERs out of places like Birmingham and Manchester, two cities which are bursting with pent up passenger demand, tempered only by the lack of long haul airlines operating there, particularly for Birmingham,” he said, adding that if the Dubai carrier goes through with the plan “British Airways and Virgin Atlantic will be the big losers.”

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/emirates ... 10527.html

Positive stuff from Emirates.

 

[User0001]

Positive stuff from Emirates

Just have to point out your text in bold does not come from Emirates, nor have they said as much.

The article the arabianbusiness is quoting was leaning more towards Manchester from the slant of Laurie Berryman. Sorry to do the 'pro-MAN' thing but people now seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick due to the new article, with airports such as Newcastle also thinking the USA routes referred to them:

http://buyingbusinesstravel.com/feature ... n-emirates

On the subject of Manchester, it’s clear that Berryman is very proud of the city and its potential

Manchester is beginning to amaze everyone. It is building itself as a strong international airport from which people realise you can fly long-haul

Perhaps one day, through fifth freedom flights (commercial aviation rights), Emirates could fly Dubai to New York via Manchester? “We do hold some rights out of the regions, so I would never say never

 

[Ray Finkle]

Just have to point out your text in bold does not come from Emirates, nor have they said as much.

I don't see anywhere in my post that suggests it does or that they have, anyone reading the article can clearly see that it comes from an aviation strategist. This is a BHX thread and the strategist made an interesting point about the lack of long haul at BHX, something which others may like to discuss.

but people now seem to be getting the wrong end of the stick due to the new article, with airports such as Newcastle also thinking the USA routes referred to them

I'm not sure that there is a stick to get the wrong end of and I don't recall seeing a post that says any potential USA route refers to BHX. I read the full interview when it came out, the interviewer asked if Emirates may one day fly from MAN to New York and the reply was we hold some rights out of the regions, not a yes, not a no. Obviously there will be favourites to be first for any possible new service, equally it may never happen, but until a flight is confirmed I think every Emirates destination in the UK regions will be discussing the possibility it may well be them.

Sorry to do the 'pro-MAN' thing

 

[User0001]

I don't see anywhere in my post that suggests it does or that they have

Ray, it was they way you highlighted the end comment about lack of longhaul from BHX, with your own caption of 'positive stuff from Emirates'. The way it is written makes it seem you are attributing that highlighted text to Emirates?

I'm not sure that there is a stick to get the wrong end of and I don't recall seeing a post that says any potential USA route refers to BHX

No you have not understood what I meant. I specifically referred to Newcastle, not BHX as on another forum, due to the way the follow up article is written, some assumed it meant NCL. I was purely trying to point out the context in which the original article was written.

Sorry to do the 'pro-MAN' thing

Why the roll eyes? Ive usually enjoyed your posts and you cannot deny you are pro-BHX, just as I am pro-MAN. I do not add those sort of 'smilies' when you post anything positive about BHX, so find it quite rude and unfair you do this to mine, regardless of thread the posts are contained in. All I was doing was adding context to the article, nothing more.

 

[Ray Finkle]

No you have not understood what I meant. I specifically referred to Newcastle, not BHX as on another forum, due to the way the follow up article is written, some assumed it meant NCL. I was purely trying to point out the context in which the original article was written.

The word also in your text 'with airports such as Newcastle also thinking the USA routes referred to them' made me think it had been also suggested that BHX will be expecting a new service soon, maybe I took it to mean something else. That's the trouble with the written word, context sometimes gets lost.

Why the roll eyes? Ive usually enjoyed your posts and you cannot deny you are pro-BHX, just as I am pro-MAN. I do not add those sort of 'smilies' when you post anything positive about BHX, so find it quite rude and unfair you do this to mine, regardless of thread the posts are contained in. All I was doing was adding context to the article, nothing more.

Living roughly a mile away I am pro-BHX and the vast majority of my posts, both good and bad, are in the BHX forum.

I too enjoy reading most of your posts and I apologise if you found the smiley rude, it certainly wasn't meant to be.

 

[User0001]

No problem Ray.

Lets just call it a 'crossed wire' and apologies from my end.

Hopefully you do not see my post as anything bad on BHX, I honestly and innocently just thought for clarity it was beneficial to see the original context of the article the 2nd news story as it does seem that on other forums people are getting a little bit giddy.

 

[Ray Finkle]

No it's my fault I seem to have got the context wrong and after a very bad day probably over reacted.

 

[Hassaan]

Would you think the current loads warrant a third daily service?

 

[Ray Finkle]

After a bit of a dip loads are getting better and from what I hear cargo is doing well. I have a feeling if a third service is planned in the next year or so it will tie in with the runway extension opening. I could see them sending a lunchtime A380 that day and using all the publicity to announce it.

Time will tell.

 

[Ash]

Some EK talk from the ACC:

"JL explained that Emirates may introduce a third daily service next year,
which will improve connections to Australasia, especially with their Qantas
partnership."

http://www.ukaccs.info/bham/agen040913it7.pdf

 

[Ray Finkle]

If it happens I still think it will tie in with the official opening of the runway extension. Whether it will be announced before to start then or announced then to start later in the year we'll have to see.

 

[User0001]

This snippet was interesting:

JL added that due to runway resurfacing, distribution may occur at Dubai. Birmingham Airport has made representation that this must not affect services to Birmingham

Whilst we know there will be no reduction to UK flights during the runway works at Dubai, these seem to be quite strong words from BHX. Surely BHX does not have any say as to which flights a carrier 'cuts' during this time, if EK wanted to cut, they can.
Very strange to make such a demand considering the often mooted 'good relationship, between the 2. To even make such a point shows they were worried about something.........

 

[Ray Finkle]

Whilst we know there will be no reduction to UK flights during the runway works at Dubai

Glasgow reduces to once daily during the runway works.

shows they were worried about something.........

I think the only thing it shows is an airport that wants the minimum of disruption to it's operation and I'd be very surprised if Birmingham was the only airport in the Emirates network to request any cuts don't affect them.