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Dont forget that TUI are basing an extra 737 at CWL. A lot of Welsh use TUI from BRS. Given the extra capacity at CWL is may displace customers from BRS but still keep them as TUI customers.
TUI are adding just under 140k seats with the extra aircraft at CWL, meaning there's still an increase in the Southwest & Wales region for TUI of 100k seats.
Generally prices are cheaper at BRS or more availability. Now there's greater frequencies and seats available, prices at CWL may come down and more Welsh people will use it over BRS. Overall if TUI can't increase their market share, BRS may actually lose out.
EXT are seeing small additional capacity as well so could be the same story.
It's a valid point. Some years ago (probably ten or more) TUI focused on CWL one summer with almost daily departures to the likes of Malaga and Alicante. I remember an advertising campaign on Bristol buses and on bus stops in the city even though TUI flew the same routes from BRS but not at the same frequency. That initiative did not last although it may have coincided with the time TUI and First Choice merged (the recession was also beginning to make itself felt) following which the merged company began to concentrate more on BRS than on CWL. In the 80s and 90s Thomson, as it was then, generally had a bigger CWL programme in summer than it did from BRS, but there was also a First Choice base at BRS in those days.

BRS senior management has said again recently that it expects 2019 to pass through the 9 million barrier. That would mean at least another 300,000 passengers over 2018. Although a much smaller annual increase than BRS has seen in recent years it still begs the question as to where these extra passengers are coming from.

If TUI is rationalising its SW Britain operation a further clue might be forthcoming when the 737MAX10 begins to arrive in the fleet (in 2020?). That seems to be a replacement for the 757 and has approximately the same number of seats. If BRS is still in TUI's mind for advancement then a couple of MAX10s might turn up in due course.

Just over a year ago I spoke to a senior figure at BRS who I've known for a number of years who has a wide knowledge of routes and airlines at the airport, and I asked what was likely to happen when TUI withdrew the 757s. I was told that nothing had been decided so far as the airport knew but one option was to replace the two 757s with three 738s giving a total of five 738s at the airport in summer.

It might be that since that conversation TUI decided to put in the additional 738 at CWL instead.
 

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Given that the airports own strategy is to rely on growth from existing carriers , giving capacity away to other nearby airports can’t surely be part of the plan. Still time yet for some additions though. When was no4 announced last winter ?
 

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Given that the airports own strategy is to rely on growth from existing carriers , giving capacity away to other nearby airports can’t surely be part of the plan. Still time yet for some additions though. When was no4 announced last winter ?
Looking at the press releases on the BRS website summer 2018 was highlighted on 20 April 2017 and summer 2019 on 26 March 2018. Nothing in either release mentioned an additional based aircraft or a reduction in aircraft size, although much wss made of the additional routes and frequencies that would be coming.

I'd be very surprised if the summer 2019 programme was further tweaked (quite a large tweak) at this relatively late stage to accommodate an additional based aircraft.
 

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Given the release today of routes planned with the 737max and brs not included I’m guessing we stuck with the normal 737.
 

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Given the release today of routes planned with the 737max and brs not included I’m guessing we stuck with the normal 737.
I think the 737 MAX8 has the same number of seats as the 'normal' 737-800 though, so nothing lost in that sense.
 

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Can it do Sal though ?
I don't know. If it can't it will mean an en-route fuel stop or finding a 757 or 787 or cancelling the route.

One would hope that TUI knows what it's about. With a 737-800 replacing a 787-8 it's already a big drop in seat availabiity and when summer 2018 saw the 787 operating at fairly high capacity on the route.
 

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My next door neighbour did SAL last summer,and he said flight was full both ways and that was in the month of September.
 

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I still have a feeling that the tui timetable is not yet complete for brs. Any chance of a reprieve for the 757s till the max 10 comes ?
 

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I still have a feeling that the tui timetable is not yet complete for brs. Any chance of a reprieve for the 757s till the max 10 comes ?
Sadly the BRS based B757's will be leaving at the end of March. As TUI are continuing to operate the type until spring 2020 they may well be an occasional visitor until they retire.
 

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Sadly the BRS based B757's will be leaving at the end of March. As TUI are continuing to operate the type until spring 2020 they may well be an occasional visitor until they retire.
Do you know if the replacements are 'ordinary' 737-800s or MAX8? And can the 738 reach Sal non-stop?
 

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https://www.bristolairport.co.uk/about-us/news-and-media/news-and-media-centre/2018/3/tui-launches-summer-2019-programme

Ten months ago TUI announced their summer 2019 plans from BRS in which they stated that there would be an additional 10,000 seats. So how can that be if the two 757s are being replaced by two 738s? Doesn't the marketing department speak to the operational department? The latter surely would have been aware of the 757 plans for BRS in summer 2019. If not and arrangements had not been finalised, why boast about something that might not happen?

As is nearly always the case with most airlines and airports, if the 738s were being replaced by 757s with their larger capacity we should have heard both airline and airport shouting from the rooftops. When it works the other way they say nothing.

My next door neighbour did SAL last summer,and he said flight was full both ways and that was in the month of September.
Acording to the CAA stats the below were the passenger figures for the summer on Bristol-Sal. I'm assuming that because of the relatively short distance all 300 seats on the B787-8 were available each time.

May 2531 passengers, ave load 253, load factor 84.3%
June 2248 passengers, ave load 281, load factor 93.7%
July 2234 passengers, ave load 279, load factor 93.0%
August 2829 passengers, ave load 283, load factor 94.3%
September 1773 passengers, ave load 221, load factor 73.7%*
October 2555 passengers, ave load 255, load factor 85.0%

* This is probably incorrect. The CAA September stats for BRS contain numerous glaring errors and cannot be relied upon

As always, load factor does not necessarily give an idea of yield.
 

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Hey BRS thread, are you aware that TUI will be operating the 787 on the following short haul routes.

Im proper Jel as BHX doesnt even have 787s on the short haul routes.

Nice one BRS (y)
787-8
Bristol – Dubrovnik eff 02MAY19 1 weekly
Bristol – Dalaman eff 01MAY19 1 weekly
Bristol – Larnaca eff 02MAY19 1 weekly
 

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Hey BRS thread, are you aware that TUI will be operating the 787 on the following short haul routes.

Im proper Jel as BHX doesnt even have 787s on the short haul routes.

Nice one BRS (y)
787-8
Bristol – Dubrovnik eff 02MAY19 1 weekly
Bristol – Dalaman eff 01MAY19 1 weekly
Bristol – Larnaca eff 02MAY19 1 weekly
Yes, we were aware but many thanks for your interest because some things can slip through past our notice.
 

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According to a poster on the dried fruit forum TUI 737 800s are able to do SAL from Gatwick though he's not sure if they can make it from BRS. I wonder if another possibility is that they bring in a spare 757 from say MAN to operate SAL similar to how they bring down the 787 for the long haul flights.
 

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According to a poster on the dried fruit forum TUI 737 800s are able to do SAL from Gatwick though he's not sure if they can make it from BRS. I wonder if another possibility is that they bring in a spare 757 from say MAN to operate SAL similar to how they bring down the 787 for the long haul flights.
It's certainly a possibility and NOSIGWX who knows more about things at BRS than many of us has suggested the occasional 757 visit can't be ruled out.
 

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It looks like the MAX aircraft will only be based arc EDI, GLA and MAN for S19.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282311/thomson-airways-s19-737-max-8-operations-as-of-04jan19/?highlight=Thomson

Presumably this is to make use of better efficiency as these airports are further from most destinations than the likes of LGW/BHX/BRS. Although one would perhaps have expected ABZ/NCL to be included for this reason.
I think ABZ is only a seasonal base and sometimes gets a sub contractor and I'd imagine that with NCL there may not have been enough to go round.
 

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