TUI Airways

[TheLocalYokel]

G TUIA ended up in EMA. The aircraft is on its way to Cancun from EMA so it must have been a straight change for what ever reason.

They swapped with an EMA 787 at Cancun a few weeks ago too.

TOM644 to Cancun, G-TUIF (Neil), again apparently going non-stop with another Cornwall (Morwenstow) routing.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

G TUIA ended up in EMA. The aircraft is on its way to Cancun from EMA so it must have been a straight change for what ever reason.

They swapped with an EMA 787 at Cancun a few weeks ago too.

TOM644 to Cancun, G-TUIF (Neil), again apparently going non-stop today with another Cornwall (Morwenstow) routing.

 

[superking]

Yes TOM644 I can confirm it went direct today.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-airport-tui-summer-holiday-1953910

Why TUI was banned from advertising Turkey 'summer holidays' from Bristol Airport

All to do with the definition of summer. It's not just Bristol affected either despite the headline.

I expect the East Anglian version of Reach Plc's local newpaper (if they have one there - they seem to have them all around the country) is: Why TUI was banned from advertising Turkey 'summer holidays' from Norwich Airport.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Cancun

TOM644 to Cancun, G-TUIE (Miles of Smiles), apparently going non-stop today - via Cornwall again. After early season en-route MAN visits (mainly for fuel it is presumed) the route seems to be enjoying non-stop connectivity most weeks.

Having said that, it won't next week.

 

[Jerry]

Cancun

TOM644 to Cancun, G-TUIE (Miles of Smiles), apparently going non-stop today - via Cornwall again. After early season en-route MAN visits (mainly for fuel it is presumed) the route seems to be enjoying non-stop connectivity most weeks.

Having said that, it won't next week.

On social media there was a post about this flight and it was reported that the load was 273 out of 300 so that could help it be able to go direct.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

On social media there was a post about this flight and it was reported that the load was 273 out of 300 so that could help it be able to go direct.

I don't know what loads have been like since the main school holidays began towards the end of July when, apart from one week, the flight has operated non-stop.

Then again, as a layman, I'm supposing that a full load against a relatively light wind might go non-stop whereas a slightly less than full load against very strong winds might have to take an en-route fuel stop. From what I understand the forecast en-route headwind strength is usually what dictates a captain's decision to take on fuel at MAN as the aircraft would be too heavy to lift off with that amount of fuel from the BRS runway.

TUI's timetable for summer 2019 is still showing BRS-CUN operating 2 x weekly from May, with a Tuesday and Saturday flight through to October. The Saturday flight begins at the end of March but takes the regular mid-summer break for a month (when apparently the aircraft is used in Scotland where the main school holidays take place much earlier than in England and Wales) but the Tuesday flight operates right through the summer with no break.

Orlando Sanford on Fridays also begins at the end of March next summer and continues weekly until October but does not take the usual mid-summer break.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Summer 2019

As it's very quiet BRS-wise at the moment I've been poking around in various things and find I hadn't realised (or had forgotten) that TUI is operating to Thessaloniki (Halkidiki) again next summer. This route seems to come and go with almost monotonous regularity. For many years it was one of the staple Thomson/TUI summer routes from BRS and was certainly operating until summer 2010. It was then axed for the next four summers before returning in summer 2015 and 2016 but axed again for summer 2017 and summer 2018.

I also note that Naples will operate 3 x weekly next summer instead of the usual 2 x weekly. I believe the increase is due to a cruise ship associated with TUI operating from Naples next year. Naples will likely see six flights each week next summer if easyJet maintains its summer 2018 frequency. With easyJet operating Naples (2 x weekly) through the winter for the first time this year it will be interesting to see what sort of draw the destination is during the winter months.

 

[Marko1]

Tui has dropped plans to operate enfidhna every Friday this winter plus reducing Malaga which now will not operate throughout the winter season. Given that Boa Vista and Reykjavik have already been dropped the offering now looks almost identical to last winter with some exceptions such as a one off Montego Bay

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Tui has dropped plans to operate enfidhna every Friday this winter plus reducing Malaga which now will not operate throughout the winter season. Given that Boa Vista and Reykjavik have already been dropped the offering now looks almost identical to last winter with some exceptions such as a one off Montego Bay

TUI have become a bit like the Ryanair of old, advertising flights then not following through. I was not surprised about Reykjavik disappearing, given there was not enough traffic for easyJet and WOW in the winter even though the latter was primarily a low-cost transatlantic hub (I suppose it was although it offered BRS-KEF sectors too) and Boa Vista too seemed a bit optimistic give that TUI already operates another Cape Verde route (Sal). Incidentally, is Sal carrying on with the 787 through the winter?

Malaga, well perhaps in the thinner winter months there is enough capacity elsewhere at the airport. I am surprised about Enfidha though. Tunisia used to be a year-round route at the airport and with the apparent returning popularity of the country I supposed it was a natural for winter. Marrakech remains as a new TUI offering although not until February but it does continue through the summer. I was gobsmacked when easyJet axed Marrakech as the loads were always very high throughout the year. Clearly the yield wasn't but easyJet is highly experienced in the BRS market and I'd have thought they would have known how to pitch the fares.

As for TUI, the market has the final say and if it doesn't show sufficient interest TUI will close the route.

 

[Marko1]

Yes I'm surprised by Marrakech too which of course was originally flown by Ryanair as well.

I am surprised that tui doesn't offer more canary island services at least to keep the 2 based aircraft flying.

 

[Jerry]

Incidentally, is Sal carrying on with the 787 through the winter?

No Dreamliner label on the website so looks like it's back to the 757.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

No Dreamliner label on the website so looks like it's back to the 757.

Many thanks, Jerry.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

2019

I've been doing some number crunching in anticipation of the two B 757s not being at BRS next summer as we've been told will be the case on this forum. It seems that BRS is to become a 4 x B737 base next summer.

If the 757s are replaced by Boeing 737-800s I estimate a loss in the region of 50,000 seats in the six months May-October. If they are replaced by Boeing 737 MAX 8s, the Wiki TUI Airways site shows these as having the same number of seats as the ordinary 737-800s so the accumulated seat loss would be the same. However, the Wiki site for Boeing 737 MAX aircraft states that the 8 can hold up to 210 seats. If this is so and TUI put in that number of seats the accumulated loss would be about 18,000 seats in the six months mentioned.

The MAX 10 which doesn't seem to be imminent with TUI and might find a TUI home or homes elsewhere anyway can, according to the Wiki 737 MAX page, hold up to 230 seats. If that came to BRS there would probably mean no loss of seats after the 757s went.

On the plus side the addition of two more 787 routes in summer 19 will add over 7,000 seats.

If the 757s are replaced by 189-seat aircraft next summer it can be seen that the loss of seats in the main summer months would be very significant, unless TUI via its own airline or third party carriers increases the number of rotations on some routes.

Looking at growth next year as a whole across all the airlines, easyJet has said they will be adding another 200,000 passengers in 2019, Ryanair has announced a decent increase for this winter which will flter into the first three months of 2019 and Thomas Cook will be offering another 12,000 seats in early spring. If there is nothing further of any significance and TUI does 'forfeit' 50,000 seats through using smaller aircraft the airport will struggle to increase passenger numbers by much more than 190,000 in 2019, a growth rate of around 2.2% for the year (based on an anticipated circa 8,650,000 for 2018). If there are no TUI seat losses, as things stand next year will do well to rise by 3% overall.

That would make the projected 10 mppa by 2021 a tough ask, unless something is in the wind not yet announced.

 

[Jerry]

However, the Wiki site for Boeing 737 MAX aircraft states that the 8 can hold up to 210 seats. If this is so and TUI put in that number of seats the accumulated loss would be about 18,000 seats in the six months mentioned.

I believe that is 737 MAX 200 version that Ryanair have ordered.

 

[Marko1]

I can't imagine that

2019

I've been doing some number crunching in anticipation of the two B 757s not being at BRS next summer as we've been told will be the case on this forum. It seems that BRS is to become a 4 x B737 base next summer.

If the 757s are replaced by Boeing 737-800s I estimate a loss in the region of 50,000 seats in the six months May-October. If they are replaced by Boeing 737 MAX 8s, the Wiki TUI Airways site shows these as having the same number of seats as the ordinary 737-800s so the accumulated seat loss would be the same. However, the Wiki site for Boeing 737 MAX aircraft states that the 8 can hold up to 210 seats. If this is so and TUI put in that number of seats the accumulated loss would be about 18,000 seats in the six months mentioned.

The MAX 10 which doesn't seem to be imminent with TUI and might find a TUI home or homes elsewhere anyway can, according to the Wiki 737 MAX page, hold up to 230 seats. If that came to BRS there would probably mean no loss of seats after the 757s went.

On the plus side the addition of two more 787 routes in summer 19 will add over 7,000 seats.

If the 757s are replaced by 189-seat aircraft next summer it can be seen that the loss of seats in the main summer months would be very significant, unless TUI via its own airline or third party carriers increases the number of rotations on some routes.

Looking at growth next year as a whole across all the airlines, easyJet has said they will be adding another 200,000 passengers in 2019, Ryanair has announced a decent increase for this winter which will flter into the first three months of 2019 and Thomas Cook will be offering another 12,000 seats in early spring. If there is nothing further of any significance and TUI does 'forfeit' 50,000 seats through using smaller aircraft the airport will struggle to increase passenger numbers by much more than 190,000 in 2019, a growth rate of around 2.2% for the year (based on an anticipated circa 8,650,000 for 2018). If there are no TUI seat losses, as things stand next year will do well to rise by 3% overall.

That would make the projected 10 mppa by 2021 a tough ask, unless something is in the wind not yet announced.

I can't imagine tui wishing to reduce the seats on offer let alone the airport. Let's hope there's some resolution soon

 

[alphagolf]

2019

I've been doing some number crunching in anticipation of the two B 757s not being at BRS next summer as we've been told will be the case on this forum. It seems that BRS is to become a 4 x B737 base next summer.

If the 757s are replaced by Boeing 737-800s I estimate a loss in the region of 50,000 seats in the six months May-October. If they are replaced by Boeing 737 MAX 8s, the Wiki TUI Airways site shows these as having the same number of seats as the ordinary 737-800s so the accumulated seat loss would be the same. However, the Wiki site for Boeing 737 MAX aircraft states that the 8 can hold up to 210 seats. If this is so and TUI put in that number of seats the accumulated loss would be about 18,000 seats in the six months mentioned.

The MAX 10 which doesn't seem to be imminent with TUI and might find a TUI home or homes elsewhere anyway can, according to the Wiki 737 MAX page, hold up to 230 seats. If that came to BRS there would probably mean no loss of seats after the 757s went.

On the plus side the addition of two more 787 routes in summer 19 will add over 7,000 seats.

If the 757s are replaced by 189-seat aircraft next summer it can be seen that the loss of seats in the main summer months would be very significant, unless TUI via its own airline or third party carriers increases the number of rotations on some routes.

Looking at growth next year as a whole across all the airlines, easyJet has said they will be adding another 200,000 passengers in 2019, Ryanair has announced a decent increase for this winter which will flter into the first three months of 2019 and Thomas Cook will be offering another 12,000 seats in early spring. If there is nothing further of any significance and TUI does 'forfeit' 50,000 seats through using smaller aircraft the airport will struggle to increase passenger numbers by much more than 190,000 in 2019, a growth rate of around 2.2% for the year (based on an anticipated circa 8,650,000 for 2018). If there are no TUI seat losses, as things stand next year will do well to rise by 3% overall.

That would make the projected 10 mppa by 2021 a tough ask, unless something is in the wind not yet announced.

Summer 2019 - August

Tui have 69 weekly flights scheduled

6 Flights operated by the Based Tui 787 Dreamliner 5 days a week (CUN, DBV, LCA, SFB & SID)
58 Flights operated by the Tui Based aircraft whatever they may be...........
1 Flight operated by Neos (VRN)
1 Flight operated by Air Malta (MLA)
3 Flights operated by as yet unnamed operators (AYT, DLM & NBE)

I don't Yokel if this is more or less flights than scheduled in August 2018, I am sure you can enlighten me on that..........

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Summer 2019 - August

Tui have 69 weekly flights scheduled

6 Flights operated by the Based Tui 787 Dreamliner 5 days a week (CUN, DBV, LCA, SFB & SID)
58 Flights operated by the Tui Based aircraft whatever they may be...........
1 Flight operated by Neos (VRN)
1 Flight operated by Air Malta (MLA)
3 Flights operated by as yet unnamed operators (AYT, DLM & NBE)

I don't Yokel if this is more or less flights than scheduled in August 2018, I am sure you can enlighten me on that..........

I make it 65 flights this summer.

4 flights operated by part-based B787 (Sal, Punta Cana, Sanford, Cancun)

58 by TUI based B757 and B738 aircraft

1 flight operated by Neos B738 (Verona)
1 flight operated by Air Malta A320 (Malta)
1 flight operated by Freebird A320 (Dalaman)

This is the departure schedule for this week.

Monday
0600 Naples B738
0600 Burgas B757
0610 Mahon B757
0635 Skiathos B738
1330 Corfu B757
1425 Hurghada B738
1550 Grand Canaria B757
1610 Bodrum B738
2230 Ibiza B757

Tuesday
0600 Enfidha B757
0600 Kos B738
0635 Girona B738
0800 Palma B757
1255 Tenerife B738
1315 Malta Air Malta A320
1405 Zakynthos B757
1620 Santorini B738
1735 Chania B757

Wednesday
0610 Rhodes B738
0625 Fuerteventura B738
0700 Paphos B757
0740 Pula B757
1230 Sal B787
1450 Rhodes B757
1655 Larnaca B738
1715 Palma B738
1910 Ibiza B757

Thursday
0600 Ibiza B738
0615 Dubrovnik B757
0735 Malaga B738
0810 Corfu B757
1130 Punta Cana B787
1340 Grand Canaria B738
1500 Heraklion B757
1530 Dalaman B738
1635 Lanzarote B757

Friday
0500 Corfu B757
0620 Palma B738
0700 Tenerife B738
0705 Mahon B757
1020 Sanford B787
1335 Antalya B738
1425 Zakynthos B757
1440 Burgas B757
1725 Naples B738

Saturday
0600 Palma B757
0605 Reus B738
0630 Pula B738
0855 Alicante B757
0920 Cancun B787
1320 Ibiza B738
1430 Paphos B738
1500 Verona Neos B738
1730 Rhodes B757
2045 Palma B738
2045 Kos B757

Sunday
0600 Lanzarote B738
0610 Faro B738
0615 Kefalonia B757
0725 Malaga B757
1410 Dubrovnik B738
1530 Zakynthos B757
1540 Larnaca B757
1610 Heraklion B738
1955 Dalaman Freebird A320

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Cancun

TOM644 to Cancun, G-TUIH (Mr Patmore), apparently going non-stop again today - this time via South Wales, St Davids, after several weeks of Cornish routings.

 

[superking]

Cancun

TOM644 to Cancun, G-TUIH (Mr Patmore), apparently going non-stop again today - this time via South Wales, St Davids, after several weeks of Cornish routings.

I can confirm it was direct again Saturday.