Flybe

[lbaspotter]

Flybe have announced that the taking over the Doncaster-sheffield - Dublin route from October 30th after Aer Lingus announced it was axing the route.

Flybe will be operating 6x weekly on Mon, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat & Sun using one of the based Embraer 190's.

 

[CJZ100]

Any idea whats getting cancelled to fit the DUB in? Or are we going up to 3 A/C

 

[nwoody2001]

Shame to have lost the onward connections that Aer Lingus offered, unless they have agreed a code-share???

 

[GolfFox]

I must say Flybe are being very brave. If Aer Lingus are unable to get sufficient loads on an ATR4 (assuming that's the reason for binning the route (again!) then Flybe are really going to struggle with an E jet. However, maybe they know something that that rest of us don't!!??

 

[Jerry]

I don't know what the times were for Aer Lingus for DSA but as someone who travels regulary to the US from CWL to the US I always pick the KLM flights because the connections offered by Aer Lingus always involved long waits in Dublin for the afternoon US flights and then another connection which meant i got to my destination late local time. This was the result of the aircraft not arriving in DUB till gone 10.15.

 

[Cruzeiro do Sul]

Flybe have indicated that they do not wish to operate the E195 in the medium to long-term future. Operation Blackbird must give them sufficient financial support from the airports to make the E195 as potentially profitable as a DH8D.
If the DH8D is the future for the Flybe fleet, this raises a few questions.
How does the passenger-appeal of a DH8D compare with that of the E195?
If there is any appreciable difference, would this have an impact on loads?
As there are less seats to fill, does the DH8D attract a higher proportion of business passengers and hence a higher yield?
Do Flybe expect financial support from airports when they set up DH8D bases there?

 

[Jerry]

Flybe have indicated that they do not wish to operate the E195 in the medium to long-term future.

The E195's will be gone by 2019. Flybe sees itself as 78/88 seater airline with most of the routes they fly ideal for the Q400. They will still operate 15 E175 but i'm guessing they will fly from MAN and BHX and maybe airports they operate sun routes.
They will mix between buisness leisure and codeshare passengers and on many routes and their yields may get better on some routes because the Q400 is cheaper to run.
Going by CWLs average pax then 78/88 seaters would be perfect for the routes that they fly.
And most airlines will get some sort of support either by subsidy or cheap basing costs from the smaller airports they fly from.

 

[Cruzeiro do Sul]

It will be interesting to see what happens at DSA when the E195 fleet has gone. It seems much more suited to sun routes than the short northern-European sectors on which it is being deployed. It could be, of course, that this is fully compensated by the financial arrangements.
In the meantime, the 2016/2017 winter CAA traffic figures are eagerly awaited to see how the new routes fare.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

A warm welcome to the F4A website, Cruzeiro and thank you for your first posts. We look forward to reading many more in the future.

You're probably aware that the CAA has got itself into a big mess with stats this year and they are being published very late and usually incomplete - they've only recently published July's but a lot of airports are currently missing from them. Let's hope they get their act together by the winter.

 

[Jerry]

It will be interesting to see what happens at DSA when the E195 fleet has gone. It seems much more suited to sun routes than the short northern-European sectors on which it is being deployed. It could be, of course, that this is fully compensated by the financial arrangements.
In the meantime, the 2016/2017 winter CAA traffic figures are eagerly awaited to see how the new routes fare.

Only guessing but i would've thought that the airport would hopefully by then attracted the likes of Ryanair or Vueling to do Alicante Malaga and Faro with Flybe doing more hub routes with Q400's. The success of Flybe's Faro out of CWL has seemed to have attracted Ryanair onto the route guessing DSA will want the same effect.

 

[lbaspotter]

Has the been some major cut backs to the flybe DSA schedule? As I thought they had 2x based Embrear 195 aircraft fully utilised every day for the summer period.

Only asking becasue has anyone else noticed that the NQY route has finished early and the seem only to be operating 2x flights today AMS & ALC whilst they only operate 3x flights tomorrow to CDG, AMS & AGP.

 

[Jerry]

Has the been some major cut backs to the flybe DSA schedule? As I thought they had 2x based Embrear 195 aircraft fully utilised every day for the summer period.

Only asking becasue has anyone else noticed that the NQY route has finished early and the seem only to be operating 2x flights today AMS & ALC whilst they only operate 3x flights tomorrow to CDG, AMS & AGP.

Looking at the schedule it suggests the base is down to 1 aircraft (G-FBEK) with maybe only 1 or 2 crews available. Wonder where the other aircraft went?

 

[Cruzeiro do Sul]

Flybe announced some capacity reductions on 23rd August.
Paris is being reduced from 2 to a single rotation per day during the winter. For the remainder of the summer timetable there are reductions, particularly affecting the afternoon rotation. The schedule is quite complex and varies from week to week. Some additional capacity is provided for the half-term holidays.
Newquay ended on 1st October.
Jersey is down to 2 or 3 per week until half-term.

 

[Seasider]

They are up to 5 flights on Friday of this week so will need 2 aircraft to operate them. It's not surprising that the JER/NQY have been cut back but CDG/TXL I think will be of more concern.

 

[Seasider]

Sorry, but forgot to add that it is strange that these reductions have not been announced.

 

[Cruzeiro do Sul]

Capacity increases always receive far more publicity than decreases!

One concern about what continues to be considerable Flybe capacity is that it could have an adverse effect on the high-quality hub services at LBA and HUY. Has Flybe affected KLM at CWL?

 

[Seasider]

Capacity increases always receive far more publicity than decreases!

One concern about what continues to be considerable Flybe capacity is that it could have an adverse effect on the high-quality hub services at LBA and HUY. Has Flybe affected KLM at CWL?

I do not have any specific passenger numbers, but the number of flights (and type of aircraft) are still the same at LBA and HUY. Unless someone has more specific information, we can assume it has not affected them.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Capacity increases always receive far more publicity than decreases!

One concern about what continues to be considerable Flybe capacity is that it could have an adverse effect on the high-quality hub services at LBA and HUY. Has Flybe affected KLM at CWL?

Flybe doesn't fly to AMS from CWL. KLM is the sole operator on that route and it's actually been steadily increasing its passenger numbers over the past year.

 

[Jerry]

Considering that KLM serve HUY and LBA and MME you have to wonder why there is no DSA service? Do Flybe codeshare with KLM on the DSA service?
The problem at DSA is the same as CWL the aircraft is to big for many of the routes. Reality is that the E195's should be operating out of MAN and BHX with an E175 and a Q400 operating out of DSA.

 

[Cruzeiro do Sul]

Unfortunately the jury is still out on numbers as the CAA are running two months late.

Agreed; quite a difference between the flights on offer between the two airports, but Paris, Munich and Milan might have had an effect.

There is no KLM codeshare at DSA. Flybe seem to have a closer relationship to the French end rather than the Dutch end of the company.
KLM concentrates on business, as does HUY and to a lesser extent LBA. EMA now concentrates on freight and leisure and does not have a KLM service. There is a feeling that DSA is in a similar camp.