Cardiff: Weather & Technical Diversions, Delays & Cancellations

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I assume if the FO's condition had been really serious the captain would have landed at the nearest suitable airport.
 
Forgot to mention this yesterday but a BA 767 300 G-BZHC heading to St Athan to be scrapped was diverted into CWL due to the weather. As far as I know it's still at Cardiff parked on stand 6.
 
One diversion from Bristol. Easyjet A319 G-EZFZ operating GLA-BRS diverted in at 18.39 due to high winds at BRS.
 
A couple of diversions from Bristol this morning. The pax were all bussed to Bristol i believe.
U2442 08.25 arrival from Belfast International diverted to Cardiff
KL1049 08.15 arrival from Amsterdam diverted to Cardiff
BM1822 10.35 arrival from Frankfurt diverted to Cardiff
 
Cardiff received 4 Easyjet diversions last night from Gatwick. Apparently Gatwick was closed due to someone flying a drone over the site?
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Thursday 20th December 2018
Diversions from LGW due to a drone/s closing the airport:

EZY A320 (G-EZPE) from LIS
EZY A320 (G-EZTB) from TLS
EZY A320 (G-EZUO) from FUE
EZY A320 (OE-ICB) from VLC

BAW B772 (G-VIIP) from CUN
BAW B772 (G-VIIT) from MCO
BAW B772 (G-VIIU) from KIN
BAW B772 (G-VIIW) from UVF
 
What have they done with the passengers, bussed to LGW or sat around the terminal , or still stuck on the planes ?
 
Thursday 20th December 2018
Diversions from LGW due to a drone/s closing the airport:

EZY A320 (G-EZPE) from LIS
EZY A320 (G-EZTB) from TLS
EZY A320 (G-EZUO) from FUE
EZY A320 (OE-ICB) from VLC

BAW B772 (G-VIIP) from CUN
BAW B772 (G-VIIT) from MCO
BAW B772 (G-VIIU) from KIN
BAW B772 (G-VIIW) from UVF
Busy day for CWL!
This ought to add a couple of thousand passengers to December's figures.

According to the CAA, they are supposed to be reallocated to original destination but most airports seem to grab them for their own passenger numbers.

In order to preserve market analysis all identifiable diversions are reallocated to the point of intended operation.

CAA note on its stats tables.





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This ought to add a couple of thousand passengers to December's figures.

According to the CAA, they are supposed to be reallocated to original destination but most airports seem to grab them for their own passenger numbers.

In order to preserve market analysis all identifiable diversions are reallocated to the point of intended operation.

CAA note on its stats tables.

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I hope CWL wouldn’t include these in their figures. Although it is the Welsh Government at the end of the day.

We’ll have to seen if Cancun and Orlando are listed as destinations in the December figures haha!
 
I hope CWL wouldn’t include these in their figures. Although it is the Welsh Government at the end of the day.

We’ll have to seen if Cancun and Orlando are listed as destinations in the December figures haha!
If the passengers were off loaded at CWL they will be included in the airports figures for December.
 
If the passengers were off loaded at CWL they will be included in the airports figures for December.
And they will also be included in Gatwick's figures, the intended destination.

In fact, the CAA airport stats, even when correct and they are not always as shown in the farcical BRS numbers for September, are misleading because UK domestic route passengers are counted twice - at either end of the route.

Taking the CAA's Airport Stats Summary for November they show the rolling 12-month passenger totals for all airports so far reporting which gives a UK-wide total of 231,420,264, but that's more than the number of people who actually travelled.

For example, CWL's total includes nearly 8,000 on the CWL-EDI route, but so does EDI's and it's the same passengers. In fact, every inter-UK route is counted twice in these stats for the same reason.
 
The CAA stats can be confusing at times! If you look at some airports they report routes but at others they don't ie Belfast City is reported in the BHD bit but not the CWL part. Same for ABZ and VLY.
 
The CAA stats can be confusing at times! If you look at some airports they report routes but at others they don't ie Belfast City is reported in the BHD bit but not the CWL part. Same for ABZ and VLY.
Table 12.2 shows Domestic Air Pax Route Anaysis and the figures are listed by airports alphabetically, thus BHD-CWL-BHD passenger numbers are shown under Belfast City.

Table 12.3 Domestic Air Pax Route Anaysis By Each reporting Airport shows passenger numbers reported from both ends. Often the two figures don't agree.

Taking the BHD-CWL-BHD route for November this year, in 12.2 it shows 5821 passengers as it does from the BHD end in 12.3. However, at the CWL end in 12.3 the figure is 5862 passengers.

Why the CAA does this is a mystery. 12.2 and 12.3 should contain exactly the same stat figures although shown under both ends of the route in the case of the latter. Yet another reason why the CAA stats should be viewed with caution.

As something of a nerd when it comes to such matters I've been following CAA and airport stats for 40 years. It became much easier to track such stats with the advent of the Internet and I first went online in the later 1990s. I've always been aware of inconsistensies with CAA stats. They must cost a lot of money and time to produce yet they are never one hundred per cent accurate.

I could bore you with numerous examples down the years but there would be no point.
 
A wonder summary of the problems that we face with the CAA figures. As you know I have been collating the Manchester figures since 2005 - and I might even look at going back another 10 years for historical data - and am always amazed at the disparity between the airport's own figures and those supplied by the CAA.
 
Passenger figures are usually collated by the Airport, either by figures received from the handling agents, or automatically through flight information systems, probably more so the latter as systems get improved and updated. The origin station will send all necessary information via a message containing various things like the departure time, estimated arrival time, passenger, baggage & cargo figures and various other supplementary info. This info is usually fed into the flight info system which then collates all the necessary data. Some Airports do this manually still though.
If the diverted flight is effectively cancelled into the destination airport, then it's unlikely (or at least it shouldn't!) that those figures will be collated, as the flight should be cancelled. E.G MCO-LGW flight diverts to CWL. CWL will now have that flight stored in their systems, listed as a diversion. LGW SHOULD in theory change the status of it in their system to cancelled or diverted, as it will never arrive as it's original flight number. That is only in the case of the flight diverting and passengers offloading. If the flight continues from CWL back to LGW with passengers still on board, then it will either continue as it's original flight number and still be shown in LGW's system, or will have similar flight number, like an A or B flight, but it will still collate the information. The passengers should then be only shown as transit passengers (not arriving) at CWL.
 
But the CAA reckons that so far as passenger numbers are concerned, not necessarily the changed status of the flights, that all stats should show passengers as having travelled through to the intended point of operation (destination). The CAA carries this note on its passenger stats tables.

In order to preserve market analysis all identifiable diversions are reallocated to the point of intended operation.

I understand fully that if passengers do not get off the aircraft at a diversionary airport and carry on to the intended destination on the aircraft they ought to be shown as transit passengers at the diversionary airport. However, in your example even if the passengers from Orlando are taken on by coach from Cardiff to Gatwick they will still 'arrive' at their intended airport and so, in CAA terms, should be counted as terminal passengers at, in this example, Gatwick.

My own view is that if a flight diverts to CWL and people leave the aircraft and get back to their intended destination another way they should be counted as CWL's terminal passengers but the CAA appears to be saying through its note that they are still the original destination airport's terminal passengers.

Why in table 12.3 for November is the total for the BHD-CWL route shown as 5821 passengers under Belfast City Airport but 5862 passengers under Cardiff Airport? This is by no means uncommon in table 12.3, in fact it's quite common, and is another reason why CAA stats can never be regarded as wholly accurate or reliable.

In the finalised passenger tables for Bristol Airport for September this year no charter passengers are shown and a number of routes that operated that month are shown as nil passengers, including Sanford, Florida and Punta Cana. A ten-year old interested in aviation would have spotted those errors and yet some 'professional' (professional in the sense of being paid) has allowed such obvious nonsense to pass into the CAA records.

I look upon CAA airport and route passenger stats as an indication of a trend and I certainly don't take them as being one hundred per cent correct.
 
2 KLM flights canceled today 8th jan. The flights affected are the mid morning and the early evening. The last flight of the day operates as its the night stopper aircraft. It wonders if its weather related in AMS.
 

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