Ryanair

[Marko1]

I’m wondering if they are doing it for social distancing reasons?

 

[Seasider]

Are they using GMT, that would bring them 1 hour earlier.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

Budget Airlines Put Squeeze on Airports in Coronavirus Cost Drive

European low-cost airlines are pressuring airports to slash charges in return for resuming flights, as the COVID-19 shutdown intensifies their race with traditional carriers to lower costs and win post-pandemic business.

www.nytimes.com

It looks as though Ryanair is inviting airports to make bids for their services. I presume they will take into account the likely market as it's no good having no airport charges and other inducements if the catchment isn't big enough to fill more than half an aircraft.

 

[kraktoa]

How will it work then with the booking systems. For eg if they sell tickets from Cardiff and get no bids from The airport. So which comes first. Bids and deals with airport before ticket sales, as the opposite won’t work.

Who would have predicted this state of affairs merely 6 months ago.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

How will it work then with the booking systems. For eg if they sell tickets from Cardiff and get no bids from The airport. So which comes first. Bids and deals with airport before ticket sales, as the opposite won’t work.

Who would have predicted this state of affairs merely 6 months ago.

I don't know. The report says something about the lowest offers from airports (ie those offering the airlines the lowest rates) will win more returning traffic. I note the word 'returning' but it's not clear whether Ryanair will also be accepting 'bids' from other airports that either had a low Ryanair presence or none at all pre-COVID.

If Airport A was one of those with a low or no pre-COVID presence and came up with a 'too good to refuse' offer to Ryanair in terms of airport charges and possibly inducements as well, would Ryanair accept if that airport didn't have a sufficiently big enough market to sustain flights?

Another thing is that if Airport B had a substantial Ryanair presence pre-COVID but refused to play ball with Ryanair and the airline downsized drastically there it would play havoc with the coming winter because numerous flights would already have been advertised and no doubt quite a few sold but would then presumably be pulled.

It all sounds a bit Ryanairesque but easyJet and Wizz Air seem to be playing off airports against each other too.

 

[kraktoa]

I saw a report somewhere that EU have ranked risky airports to fly Into and out of. Does anyone have this list. Where does Bristol rank? Luton I heard was deemed risky. This list will make or break an airport

 

[Foxlimayankee]

It depends how they rate it. Whether they rate it based on the country or the local area/catchment of certain parts of a country. If it's the latter, according to media reports the Southwest is one of the highest to R currently, which wouldn't paint BRS in good light, or EXT and NQY for that matter. That could also affect CWL if the Southwest would be classed as their catchment. The R rating in Wales isn't great either.

 

[Kernow Bravo]

I saw a report somewhere that EU have ranked risky airports to fly Into and out of. Does anyone have this list. Where does Bristol rank? Luton I heard was deemed risky. This list will make or break an airport

.....was it this? If so, BRS fares well relative to most others in the UK

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[kraktoa]

Yes, that’s the link. Yes BRS is not on the list so good news.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

It's odd that the R number is said to be slightly higher in the South West than in most other areas of England because the South West has seen the lowest incidence of the disease, both in confirmed cases and deaths, of nearly every region of England.

Covid inquiry: The UK pandemic in numbers

Explore the data on how the coronavirus pandemic unfolded in the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

A couple of weeks ago there was a big spike at Weston-super-Mare which has since been put down to infections at the local hospital which was then closed to new patients for several days. The infection was not thought to have spread into the wider community.

One of the maps in the linked report above shows North Somerset unitary authority having more confirmed cases per 10,000 population than all other areas of the South West south and west of Gloucestershire proper, ie excluding the unitary authority of South Gloucestershire which conforms to the general South West lower infection rate and North Somerset is still lower than many parts of the country.

Ironically BRS is situated within the North Somerset unitary authority area but until the last week or so North Somerset's rate of infection per 10,000 population was the same as the rate for most of the rest of the South West, which does seem to indicate that it was the spike at Weston Hospital that has raised it slightly at the moment and might also contribute to the higher R number averaged across the entire South West.

 

[kraktoa]

From today all airports will introduce health checks on passengers. All passengers should have filled an online form before travel which will be checked.

I guess the first flight to be checked will be the RyanAir Dub at Bristol today

 

[alphagolf]

From today all airports will introduce health checks on passengers. All passengers should have filled an online form before travel which will be checked.

I guess the first flight to be checked will be the RyanAir Dub at Bristol today

I think The Republic of Ireland is exempt, however any passengers who are using DUB as a transit will be checked. They would have to have been in Ireland for 2 weeks to avoid the 2 weeks isolation in the UK I believe.

 

[superking]

The first flight that could be checked could be Loganair from Aberdeen if that falls into the check list. Its due in at 13.50 today.

 

[kraktoa]

Aberdeen won’t be checked as it is a domestic flight. Dub will perhaps be first in case passengers have tried to bypass 14 day rule by using the CTA.

However I believe there is a last minute legal challenge so it may not even happen today.

 

[Seasider]

So if you want to go to Dublin you have to go for 14 days or self isolate on arrival back. I would imagine most UK visitors to Ireland will go for less than 14 days so the quarantine rules actually apply to Ireland.

 

[kraktoa]

So if you want to go to Dublin you have to go for 14 days or self isolate on arrival back. I would imagine most UK visitors to Ireland will go for less than 14 days so the quarantine rules actually apply to Ireland.

No. There is no quarantine between CTA ie Ireland, Channel Islands and UK.

But there is quarantine if coming to UK from anywhere else outside CTA.

So someone from USA might enter UK via New York to Dublin to Gatwick for eg so bypass the quarantine laws. They will be made to quarantine for 14 days, unless they have been in Dublin for 14 days and can prove it. This plugs that loophole

 

[TheLocalYokel]

No. There is no quarantine between CTA ie Ireland, Channel Islands and UK.

But there is quarantine if coming to UK from anywhere else outside CTA.

So someone from USA might enter UK via New York to Dublin to Gatwick for eg so bypass the quarantine laws. They will be made to quarantine for 14 days, unless they have been in Dublin for 14 days and can prove it. This plugs that loophole

There are many loopholes. Michael O'Leary was on the BBC tv main news late this afternoon having another pop about the UK's 14-day quarantine.

He quite rightly pointed out that people have to complete a form before they arrive saying where they will be spending their 14-day quarantine period, but once they arrive in Britain can travel by public transport - say the Underground or rail - to their nominated quarantine residence which might be the other side of the country. If they are already infected (they might not even know it) they will likely infect others on the Tube/train.

He reckons that the only check on their whereabouts during the 14-day quarantine period will be phone calls from tracers, and he said that someone could say they were at home or wherever they were supposed to be in quarantine but might be on the beach. I don't know how true that assertion is but I did read recently that only one in ten people in quarantine will be checked. Whether that meant in person by tracers or by phone I don't know.

 

[Seasider]

There is no way this quarantine rule will work. There are more holes in it than in my gardening socks.

 

[kraktoa]

India did a different form of Health measures. They have not started I nternational flights but have repatriated stranded Indians in about 50 flights in last month. Every passenger who landed was, taken to a hotel nearby and left there for 14 days with police guards, at the door. Pax who booked tickets for the repat flights had to pay for the hotels along with the ticket fares, 3 classes of hotels were given as choices. This is how you isolate people in a pandemic. Not half measures. And I can download Indias contact tracing app here in UK but can't find our own NHS app to download

 

[kraktoa]

I know this because I wish to travel there next year and wanted the contact teaching app sorted. It's a doddle and used for all journeys including long distance trains, booking and boarding.