Leeds Bradford: CAA Provisional Statistics Update

[lbaspotter]

Here’s November’s stats as posted on LBA’s social media today.

 

[BCFC]

Here’s November’s stats as posted on LBA’s social media today.

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Dublin amazes me….its not much bigger than Birmingham yet the amount of flights from the UK alone is insane.

 

[Len Fish]

Maybe because as the gateway to Ireland they’ve got all the main streams of UK passengers:business, tourists, family and friends and those transiting to other destinations.

 

[Seasider]

That figure makes it just over 1500 passengers short of 4 million for the calendar year to date.

 

[Sherburnflyer92]

Dublin amazes me….its not much bigger than Birmingham yet the amount of flights from the UK alone is insane.

Historical links between Ireland and the U.K. it’s the reason, one of many, but a good reason why Ryanair were able to grow so successfully. The IE/UK market.

 

[Scottie Dog]

CAA data for October is now available and my analysis for the years 2019-2024 is available at post #39 in https://forums4airports.com/threads/5728/page-2.

Individual airport reports will follow over the next few days.

Especially for my LBA friends - you have the first individual report for this month!

 

[Seasider]

The CAA figures are now out for November 2024 at 250 347, how do they get a difference of 700 (approx) passengers?

 

[Scottie Dog]

The CAA figures are now out for November 2024 at 250 347, how do they get a difference of 700 (approx) passengers?

I'm away from home until Sunday and so gave limited access to data. When you refer to a difference, it this the difference on domestic traffic in reports 12.2 & 12.3?

 

[Seasider]

I was comparing the figure given on Facebook by the airport and CAA Table 9

 

[Aviador]

Our hilltop sister airport in the South West handled double with over 500,000 passengers during the same period. It just shows what a hilltop airport can achieve.

 

[Len Fish]

Especially when you don’t have competition from a large international airport just over another hill.

 

[Aviador]

Especially when you don’t have competition from a large international airport just over another hill.

Yes but Heathrow isn't a million miles away and its comparably easy to get to so Manchester shouldn't be a factor when comparing #BRS and #LBA.

 

[White Heather]

Yes but Heathrow isn't a million miles away and its comparably easy to get to so Manchester shouldn't be a factor when comparing #BRS and #LBA.

BRS not only has the Bristol, Somerset and Gloucestershire market to itself but the whole of South Wales and all of Devon and Cornwall too (given what little the likes of Cardiff and Exeter offer). That is a huge area.
LBA not only has MAN to contend with, but the area BRS's catchment encompasses would include LPL, NCL, MME, EMA, BHX and HUY if applied to LBA.
Yes, the North has a much denser population but lots more airports, one of which acts like a giant greedy black hole. No doubt LBA should be handling far, far more, but it's way behind thanks to generations of luddite politicians and it'll take years to even start catching up the competition in any meaningful way, and like it or not, MAN will make it very hard to attract many of the airlines and routes that we would all like to see at LBA.

 

[Aviador]

BRS not only has the Bristol, Somerset and Gloucestershire market to itself but the whole of South Wales and all of Devon and Cornwall too (given what little the likes of Cardiff and Exeter offer). That is a huge area.
LBA not only has MAN to contend with, but the area BRS's catchment encompasses would include LPL, NCL, MME, EMA, BHX and HUY if applied to LBA.
Yes, the North has a much denser population but lots more airports, one of which acts like a giant greedy black hole. No doubt LBA should be handling far, far more, but it's way behind thanks to generations of luddite politicians and it'll take years to even start catching up the competition in any meaningful way, and like it or not, MAN will make it very hard to attract many of the airlines and routes that we would all like to see at LBA.

So true. The population of the South West is more or less equal to the Yorkshire region, but I'm sure BRS sees Heathrow as a greedy black hole too and not to mention BHX which isn't all too far away as well.

 

[Finger66]

and like it or not, MAN will make it very hard to attract many of the airlines and routes that we would all like to see at LBA.

Where are Extrajet when you need them!!!!!!

 

[White Heather]

Where are Extrajet when you need them!!!!!!

Not to mention IPS Airways!

 

[HX3]

I thought Extrajet had never got off the ground?(literally)

 

[White Heather]

So true. The population of the South West is more or less equal to the Yorkshire region, but I'm sure BRS sees Heathrow as a greedy black hole too and not to mention BHX which isn't all too far away as well.

Yes, but LHR isn't quite as greedy as you might think and has less impact on BRS than MAN does over LBA.

Most, if not all, regional airports of any size, are heavily dependent on the lower cost leisure airlines, notably Ryanair, Jet2 and Easyjet and in the case of BRS, TUi too. I have no doubt that the majority of passengers using BRS are flying on those carriers, none of which have a presence at LHR. So, in that market, upon which BRS is heavily dependent, LHR offers little to no competition.

By contrast, LBAs adjacent 'black hole', (MAN) has a huge presence by all of those airlines - airlines which are critical to LBA. So MAN has far greater influence over LBA than LHR does over BRS because a large proportion of MAN passengers are using the same airlines on the same routes and in the same market as the vast majority of LBA passengers are. It's direct competition, which isn't the case at BRS/LHR in that key market area.

For long haul, then yes, BRS loses passengers to LHR, but LBA loses ours to both MAN and LHR. In my mind, there's no doubting that BRS has far less competition than LBA has, and it gets even worse for LBA when you take into account LPL and the increasing growth there, which again is in the same market that LBA is dependent on. LPL has itself been constrained by MAN over the years, but is on the rise. Let's hope LBA follows suit.

 

[Aviador]

(MAN) has a huge presence by all of those airlines - airlines which are critical to LBA. So MAN has far greater influence over LBA than LHR does over BRS

I agree with you on that and if anything MAN relies more on the holiday airlines than they care to admit.

 

[Silvercity]

Yes, but LHR isn't quite as greedy as you might think and has less impact on BRS than MAN does over LBA.

Most, if not all, regional airports of any size, are heavily dependent on the lower cost leisure airlines, notably Ryanair, Jet2 and Easyjet and in the case of BRS, TUi too. I have no doubt that the majority of passengers using BRS are flying on those carriers, none of which have a presence at LHR. So, in that market, upon which BRS is heavily dependent, LHR offers little to no competition.

By contrast, LBAs adjacent 'black hole', (MAN) has a huge presence by all of those airlines - airlines which are critical to LBA. So MAN has far greater influence over LBA than LHR does over BRS because a large proportion of MAN passengers are using the same airlines on the same routes and in the same market as the vast majority of LBA passengers are. It's direct competition, which isn't the case at BRS/LHR in that key market area.

For long haul, then yes, BRS loses passengers to LHR, but LBA loses ours to both MAN and LHR. In my mind, there's no doubting that BRS has far less competition than LBA has, and it gets even worse for LBA when you take into account LPL and the increasing growth there, which again is in the same market that LBA is dependent on. LPL has itself been constrained by MAN over the years, but is on the rise. Let's hope LBA follows suit.

I think MAN would not be as busy as it is, if it was not bleeding passengers from the east and west of it. This is changing however I believe.