Aviation Security - General Thread

[BSL-2km]

Good Day to you TLY.

I hear what you are saying, and i appreciate where you are coming from.
I do however disagree with the 'human nature' slant, I believe that human nature is very kind and loving, caring and inclusive.
The powers that govern the world have no interest in real human nature, the masses are manipulated through many channels, politics, religion,atheism, economics etc... We are encouraged to take part in these mechanisms of division, so that we feel it, so it seems like it is part of us, that national or cultural or religious or non religious identity, the belief in 'freedom' and tolerance, neither of which exist in society. We must fight to uphold our values and morals, be afraid of those who (we are told) want to take them away and subject us to unbelievable horrors.... Who are these people ?
Muslim and Jew, Christian and Hindu, Buddhist and Atheist have lived together in the past and are doing so now in peace and harmony.
It is the corporations hidden behind the charade of government and democracy that dictate who the enemies are.
This narrative that we are being fed, needs a bogey man, to keep us all in fear, constant reminders here and there of the terror that awaits us if we drop our guard,,, a bogey man that evolves and mutates, from one shadow to another, but will our protectors ever go and fix the problem once and for all ?? Shadow boxing is a one sided event.

An enticing thought indeed, but one worth striving for in my opinion, i would rather have no need for 100% security rather than feel protected by it.


So, I have chosen to 'look and see' rather than to watch and be shown.

Just my thoughts, my good man... :good: :hatsoff:

 

[Aviador]

We have groups of people from all religious background who want to cause harm to the general populous to further their cause. Some groups have the wish to carry out such attacks but they don't have the expertise or the capability to do it. Other groups have the desire, expertise and capability to carry out an attack. As things stand it would seem like various Islamic fundamentalist groups are of the most concern because of their indiscriminate approach. They are not bothered how many people they injure or kill to further their cause.

Personally I believe security at airports should remain strong. Terrorists seem to have changed strategy by targeting areas not protected by security. This could be regarded as moving the problem as opposed to solving the problem but by relaxing aviation security restrictions will only make aviation an attractive target once again.

 

[BSL-2km]

It's an illusion ,my friends....a bright shiny, well choreographed , media driven sideshow.. there is no 'organic' enemy out there,, only factions created to do enough to keep us all in fear... time to wake up folks, you've been had.... :diablo:

 

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[Ray Finkle]

Re: Aviation Security

A security official at Islamabad is said to have been asking for £10 bribes not to check passengers bags. One passenger about to board an EK flight to Dubai filmed the whole episode, the video is on the link at the bottom.

Footage obtained by the Sunday Mirror captures the Pakistani aviation official at Islamabad Airport telling a British traveller he won’t check his luggage if he pays him the bribe.

He says: “Sort me out and I’ll look after you as well. Give me £10.”

The man’s luggage was later loaded on to an Emirates Boeing 777 with 350 passengers and crew on board, bound for Birmingham via Dubai.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/br ... rt-5291916

 

[Aviador]

Re: Aviation Security

Yes that's not good at all. No matter how good airport security is here in the UK, it makes no difference if the departure airport doesn't meet the grade. If this damaging video is proven to be taken at Islamabad airport, the airport will almost certainly be breaking international rules set by IATA.

 

[BSL-2km]

Re: Aviation Security

I think i may have mentioned before...airport security is a farce. Even when it is applied correctly, as the magazine bomb article shows. It is not about protecting you or me, it is about the illusion of protection !.... It is of an illusory nature due to the fact that it is 'protecting' us from an illusory threat...
These security measures are actually demeaning measures of conditioning and control, Nothing else.
The veil is thin when observed from both sides.

Spend hundreds of billions on worldwide airport security systems, spend hundreds of billions on unjust and illegal wars around the world, that facilitate the creation of groups apparently hell bent on killing us.... Think of all the groups, that supposedly exist, who are a 'threat to security... How many of those groups are a reaction/creation of western military intervention ? as a direct result of western foreign policy... War is money, and we need an enemy to fight, simple equation .

Cui Bono ?
A qui profite t-il ?
Who benefits ?

follow the money trail and you will see that your governments are paying your tax money to large corporations to facilitate the threat and to provide the security from the threat... Simple system....
I've said it before and i'll say it again,, you've all been had. Nothing personal.

 

[BSL-2km]

I have just been told that East Midlands airport is using full body scanners on internal domestic flights ? Can anyone confirm this ?
A FlyBe flight to Belfast, which my Mother uses regularly, forced her through a full radiation scan.... seems a bit much.. considering the health risks..

 

[Aviador]

I have just been told that East Midlands airport is using full body scanners on internal domestic flights ? Can anyone confirm this ?
A FlyBe flight to Belfast, which my Mother uses regularly, forced her through a full radiation scan.... seems a bit much.. considering the health risks..

The majority of body scanners use backscatter technology which is largely regarded as safe because of the very low amounts of radiation emitted. The average household TV releases more radiation than one of the airport scanners, and in fact your mother will be subjecting herself to far more cosmic radiation above the clouds from space than what she will get from the backscatter body scanner. One of the reasons why pregnant cabin crew are grounded during their pregnancy.

 

[BSL-2km]

Wow...... :whiteflag:
Scatter grams have indeed not been proven to be safe,,, unless you mean in the same bracket as chemotherapy and radiation treatment are claimed to be safe

 

[BSL-2km]

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-1 ... ackscatter

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/21/e ... llow-suit/

I think it is irresponsible to portray these machines as safe, when Europe deems them to be dangerous, and frankly an unnecessary risk to travellers.
Again, the money trail needs to be followed, who benefits. ?

 

[Elmdon80slad]

Does this subject also include the closing down of a lot of the Spectating Facilities that for years and years where part of our love of all things flying.

I have always said - If the Queens Building was closed down due to the potential threat of some fanatic standing there mingling with everyone else, then suddenly opening up his sports bag and getting out a rocket launcher and firing on a plane....Come on folks do you really think anyone standing there would allow this, he would have been sat on before he could have raised that thing.
If a nut job was so determined to do this kind of thing and bring down a plane, they would not do it in public they would hide in a field probably under a tree, under the approach to an airport and do this where no one would see.

E.

 

[Ray Finkle]

Birmingham Airport is 'ideal target' for terror drone attack

Security expert says airport has several factors which could make it ideal for terrorists attempting to fly a drone into a plane's engines

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/re ... or-8358127

 

[Aviador]

To be honest the media don't do us any favours by playing into the terrorists hands pretty much recommending things for them to do. The midia attention into laser pens lead to a serge in reportings of fools shining lasers into the eyes of pilots landing at our airports. There is no sensible reason for anybody to have a drone. There are no beneficial reasons for the media to use drones here in the UK or anywhere else in Europe for that matter. The machines should be banned and outlawed.

 

[BSL-2km]

Pilots with knives ???

http://news.sky.com/story/1468599/pilot ... t-heathrow

I have had enough of these pilots,, i reckon we need limited tactical airstrikes on pilot training schools, they are obviously a dangerous hoarde of radicalized nutjobs...

 

[Aviador]

In my days of working at an airport, it was like a routine conversation when pilots would say "Why do airport security insist on all these security measures? ,we could fly our plane into a building if we wanted to". Sadly this was after 9:11 so it just goes to show the kind of world we're living in.

 

[henda1988]

Hi,
I am just asking for a little bit of advice or rather an answer to a question or two.

I passed my colour perception test perfectly fine in regards to the Aviation Ground Security job i am soon to be starting, but my partners dad didn't pass his color perception test as he is obviously colour blind.

What i am wanting to know is will this stop him from getting the job altogether? or will it just not allow to him work on scanning machines? He's got himself worked up in regards to this as he is worried he isn't going to get to start the job.

He was in the RAF for 25 years.

 

[Aviador]

It will probably depend on the company and airport in question. Most aviation security companies will not take you on if you fail a colour blindness test because seeing all the colours properly is an integral part of aviation security work. There maybe some outposts where it isn't necessary to be able to see colours which he maybe able to do. This will inevitably limit the company's flexibility so it is probably unlikely.

 

[henda1988]

It's at Newcastle Airport, and they don't do there security through a contracted company, they provide their own security. It's a shame as he was looking forward to getting started.

 

[Aviador]

All airports have to follow strict CAA rules regarding aviation security so there's not going to be a great deal you can do about it if that's what the outcome is.