Aviation Security - General Thread
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That's great. :good:
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As i was saying earlier in this thread,, airport security is a farce....
All sorts of weapons and devices smuggled through in a test, hand grenades,,ammunition etc....
but at least nobody managed to get any Evian through !!
Wakey wakey......
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/01/polit ... ing-tests/
Raising standards, easing burdens ?? how about a complete waste of time and money ? more like it :bomb:
All sorts of weapons and devices smuggled through in a test, hand grenades,,ammunition etc....
but at least nobody managed to get any Evian through !!
Wakey wakey......
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/01/polit ... ing-tests/
Raising standards, easing burdens ?? how about a complete waste of time and money ? more like it :bomb:
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No response ??
MMMMMM, seems like nobody cares anymore,, complacent and conformist...
Orwellian nightmare of gullible acceptance.
MMMMMM, seems like nobody cares anymore,, complacent and conformist...
Orwellian nightmare of gullible acceptance.
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I don't know that there is much more I can add to my comments in this thread made several months ago.
I'm not sure of the point that you are making at the moment. When humans are involved in any activity that involves other humans it will never be achieved completely successfully because people are fallible.
That security at airports is shown to be less than perfect cannot surely be a surprise to anyone. The real question is the degree of the imperfection and how much of it could be eliminated with perhaps better training, better supervision, better equipment and (controversial to some) concentrating on target groups rather than the public at large.
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I was hoping for a response from Rebecca Web, pointless really, bit like airport security.
67 fails out of 70 tests,that suggests something other than "less than perfect", if anything else (in any sector) failed that often it would be scrapped.
All these checks, all the inconvenience casued to travellers, all the humiliation and feelings of inappropriate guilt for forgetting your toothpaste is in your bag, the assumed authority of these nobodys in uniform, the dangers of the carcinagenic scans, the collection and logging of your data and personal movements,, for what ? for it to fail nearly 99% in tests, 1% success... It is a multi billion dollar scam, a joke. The danger is non existent. And when simulated danger gets through so often, you gotta ask yourself what is going on.....
67 fails out of 70 tests,that suggests something other than "less than perfect", if anything else (in any sector) failed that often it would be scrapped.
All these checks, all the inconvenience casued to travellers, all the humiliation and feelings of inappropriate guilt for forgetting your toothpaste is in your bag, the assumed authority of these nobodys in uniform, the dangers of the carcinagenic scans, the collection and logging of your data and personal movements,, for what ? for it to fail nearly 99% in tests, 1% success... It is a multi billion dollar scam, a joke. The danger is non existent. And when simulated danger gets through so often, you gotta ask yourself what is going on.....
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I do have a degree of empathy with the view that airport security should be measured, as well as effective as the human brain can make it. There certainly seems to an element of striking out wildly at everything in view, and at the same time causing unnecessary inconvenience to the traveller, instead of concentrating the aim on real targets.
Having said this, there is an argument that the number of real incidents at airports around the world is low, suggesting that airport security although at times seen by some as unnecessarily intrusive is working in a Heath Robinson sort of way.
Having said this, there is an argument that the number of real incidents at airports around the world is low, suggesting that airport security although at times seen by some as unnecessarily intrusive is working in a Heath Robinson sort of way.
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Airport security incidents are low because the threat level is low, verging on non-existant... just my opinion.
I regularly find myself in these queues ,, getting all annoyed with myself, anxious even, as i stand and take off my belt and shoes, doing as I am told by the intrusive minions, when i really just want to stop and shout this is all a bloody big farce, a lie, and you have no right to treat us this way !!. No i won't take off my shoes, no i won't taste my baby milk or any of the other useless demeaning measures that are being imposed on us...
If, let's just say if, some nutjob wanted to gain control of a flight, do you really think they woud need to smuggle weapons through security ? (simple enough apparently)..... I know a few words ,,we all know the words,, if spoken loudly on a flight in a certain language (that has been wrongfully demonized by our media and governments) would have everyone needing new underwear and frozen in their seats in fear... Job done... open the cockpit door or blah blah.. job done......
"let's roll" ..........yeah right.
Gobble gobble.. :reallyshocked:
I regularly find myself in these queues ,, getting all annoyed with myself, anxious even, as i stand and take off my belt and shoes, doing as I am told by the intrusive minions, when i really just want to stop and shout this is all a bloody big farce, a lie, and you have no right to treat us this way !!. No i won't take off my shoes, no i won't taste my baby milk or any of the other useless demeaning measures that are being imposed on us...
If, let's just say if, some nutjob wanted to gain control of a flight, do you really think they woud need to smuggle weapons through security ? (simple enough apparently)..... I know a few words ,,we all know the words,, if spoken loudly on a flight in a certain language (that has been wrongfully demonized by our media and governments) would have everyone needing new underwear and frozen in their seats in fear... Job done... open the cockpit door or blah blah.. job done......
"let's roll" ..........yeah right.
Gobble gobble.. :reallyshocked:
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Rules are a fact of life in every civilised nation. When we drive to the airport we have to follow speed restrictions. When we get to the airport we have parking restrictions and at check-in we are told we can't carry certain restricted or prohibited items. At home, If I decide to drive to the pub in the car, understandably I can't drink and drive. Basically, rules and regulations are a part of everyday life and we must accept them. To be honest, I much prefer the statuesque than the alternative which would be an unruly society that does whatever it chooses.
Rules are a fact of life in every civilised nation. When we drive to the airport we have to follow speed restrictions. When we get to the airport we have parking restrictions and at check-in we are told we can't carry certain restricted or prohibited items. At home, If I decide to drive to the pub in the car, understandably I can't drink and drive. Basically, rules and regulations are a part of everyday life and we must accept them. To be honest, I much prefer the statuesque than the alternative which would be an unruly society that does whatever it chooses.
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Jet2 calls on industry to deal with disruptive passengers
Jet2 is leading a call for industry-wide measures to tackle disruptive passenger behaviour, after reporting a stark increase in the number of incidents compared to last year.
Managing director of the airline, Phil Ward, said a conference call with the British Air Transport Association (Bata) took place last week on the issue, with all UK carriers
Ward added that Jet2 and other airlines had written to the Secretary of State for Transport urging more decisive action from the government to help them enforce new policies to help “stamp out” disruptive behaviour
http://travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/2015 ... ngers.html
Jet2 calls on industry to deal with disruptive passengers
Jet2 is leading a call for industry-wide measures to tackle disruptive passenger behaviour, after reporting a stark increase in the number of incidents compared to last year.
Managing director of the airline, Phil Ward, said a conference call with the British Air Transport Association (Bata) took place last week on the issue, with all UK carriers
Ward added that Jet2 and other airlines had written to the Secretary of State for Transport urging more decisive action from the government to help them enforce new policies to help “stamp out” disruptive behaviour
http://travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/2015 ... ngers.html
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Hi Aviador, hadn't seen your reply..
Do you really believe that the rules are in place to provide freedom and equality ?
There is a motorway 20 mins from my house, it is in Germany and has no speed limit, are you safer on the tightly monitored UK road system ? or are UK motorists just another government cash cow ? the stats could be of interest.
Items restricted at check in.... mmmm... ok i can, (having worked at checkin for a while) understand certain dangerous items being undesirable on an aircraft, but the measures that are in place are extreme and unwarranted, unneccessary in my opinion.
I would prefer the alternative, if i am being completely honest, freedom knows no limits, but sadly we are not living in a free society.
Rules are accepted as a way of life, they are not a fact of life, choosing whether or not to obey the rules is surely the choice of the individual...
Follow the rules,, don't do this...don't do that, get a job, pay your tax,, feed the system,,, uphold the system,, be the system... Die. NEXT..
Is it your life ?? or is it the accepted version of (easily controlled) life that your controllers want you to live. ??
Take your shoes and belt off and put your colgate in a plastic bag, there's a good chap..
Sort out your rubbish, as it is your fault that the earth is or isn't heating up..
and don't forget to vote.... so whichever minion that you believe you 'elected' can be told what to do by the people who really have the power....
The future is safe now.. :s_thumbsup
Any freedom that we willfully give up now will never be returned.
Conformity is complacency.
Hi Aviador, hadn't seen your reply..
Do you really believe that the rules are in place to provide freedom and equality ?
There is a motorway 20 mins from my house, it is in Germany and has no speed limit, are you safer on the tightly monitored UK road system ? or are UK motorists just another government cash cow ? the stats could be of interest.
Items restricted at check in.... mmmm... ok i can, (having worked at checkin for a while) understand certain dangerous items being undesirable on an aircraft, but the measures that are in place are extreme and unwarranted, unneccessary in my opinion.
I would prefer the alternative, if i am being completely honest, freedom knows no limits, but sadly we are not living in a free society.
Rules are accepted as a way of life, they are not a fact of life, choosing whether or not to obey the rules is surely the choice of the individual...
Follow the rules,, don't do this...don't do that, get a job, pay your tax,, feed the system,,, uphold the system,, be the system... Die. NEXT..
Is it your life ?? or is it the accepted version of (easily controlled) life that your controllers want you to live. ??
Take your shoes and belt off and put your colgate in a plastic bag, there's a good chap..
Sort out your rubbish, as it is your fault that the earth is or isn't heating up..
and don't forget to vote.... so whichever minion that you believe you 'elected' can be told what to do by the people who really have the power....
The future is safe now.. :s_thumbsup
Any freedom that we willfully give up now will never be returned.
Conformity is complacency.
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Well I accept that you have your own views on the subject but I can't agree with you on this one I'm afraid. I admit, there are of course elements of aviation security which are silly such as the 100ml bottle rule, but I still think we are better off with these measures in place than without any measures at all.
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Well I accept that you have your own views on the subject but I can't agree with you on this one I'm afraid. I admit, there are of course elements of aviation security which are silly such as the 100ml bottle rule, but I still think we are better off with these measures in place than without any measures at all.
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As reported elsewhere in the forum, the UK Government has taken the decision to suspend all flights to and from Sharm el Sheik in Egypt in light of the Russian air crash days ago. The UK Government now believes the likely cause of the accident was an IED.
As reported elsewhere in the forum, the UK Government has taken the decision to suspend all flights to and from Sharm el Sheik in Egypt in light of the Russian air crash days ago. The UK Government now believes the likely cause of the accident was an IED.
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Licensed individuals can openly carry handguns secured in a holster or belt in the public areas of Texas airports. They cannot do so in TSA checkpoint areas.
From this it seems that such individuals cannot take their weapons on board aircraft so why would they want to at airport ticket counters (one of the areas where such carrying of handguns is permitted) if they cannot then take their weapons on board?
Furthermore, how does anyone know that someone is a licensed individual and not a terrorist or someone else with criminal intent? By the time someone in authority has asked to see their licence people may have been blown to kingdom come.
According to the report Nebraska is the only other US state that permits open carrying of firearms at its airports but 24 states allow concealed possession of firearms at airports.
It does seem to me that some people in the USA have this obsessive belief that their right to be armed takes precedence over everything else.
Full article at http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News ... rports?ct=
From this it seems that such individuals cannot take their weapons on board aircraft so why would they want to at airport ticket counters (one of the areas where such carrying of handguns is permitted) if they cannot then take their weapons on board?
Furthermore, how does anyone know that someone is a licensed individual and not a terrorist or someone else with criminal intent? By the time someone in authority has asked to see their licence people may have been blown to kingdom come.
According to the report Nebraska is the only other US state that permits open carrying of firearms at its airports but 24 states allow concealed possession of firearms at airports.
It does seem to me that some people in the USA have this obsessive belief that their right to be armed takes precedence over everything else.
Full article at http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News ... rports?ct=
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Hi Yokel, Happy New Year.
They American gun law is madness.
To think people are prepared to let the shootings continue in America just so they can cling onto gun ownership, crazy!
I struggle to see how the US can call itself a civilised nation with a constitution that is so out of date people can legally rock-up at an airport with a gun and nobody bats an eyelid.
If it wasn't for the international ICAO regulations they would probably think it's fine to take guns straight onto the aircraft. Thankfully at least international law (common sense) prevails.
I don't understand why Americans are so precious of this "Second Amendment", in fact the clue of what really needs to happen is in the name and it's not difficult to work it out.
They American gun law is madness.
To think people are prepared to let the shootings continue in America just so they can cling onto gun ownership, crazy!
I struggle to see how the US can call itself a civilised nation with a constitution that is so out of date people can legally rock-up at an airport with a gun and nobody bats an eyelid.
If it wasn't for the international ICAO regulations they would probably think it's fine to take guns straight onto the aircraft. Thankfully at least international law (common sense) prevails.
I don't understand why Americans are so precious of this "Second Amendment", in fact the clue of what really needs to happen is in the name and it's not difficult to work it out.
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Happy New Year to you too Aviador.
There are lots of things that happen in the USA that, to me, make a mockery of their oft stated claim to be the world's greatest democracy but this is not the place to go into that.
I know it can be said that anyone with evil intent could turn up at any airport with concealed firearms and begin to do their worst before even the sharpest armed police officer could do much about it.
But that's not the point. It's the idea that the law of a country, in this case a state law, is perfectly relaxed at the prospect of some of its citizens openly carrying firearms at airports when such places, for many decades past, have been a favourite venue for terrorists to practise their perverted acts.
With the atrocities of 11 September 2001 occurring in the USA it might be thought that this is the last country that would play fast and loose with any aspect of aviation security.
There are lots of things that happen in the USA that, to me, make a mockery of their oft stated claim to be the world's greatest democracy but this is not the place to go into that.
I know it can be said that anyone with evil intent could turn up at any airport with concealed firearms and begin to do their worst before even the sharpest armed police officer could do much about it.
But that's not the point. It's the idea that the law of a country, in this case a state law, is perfectly relaxed at the prospect of some of its citizens openly carrying firearms at airports when such places, for many decades past, have been a favourite venue for terrorists to practise their perverted acts.
With the atrocities of 11 September 2001 occurring in the USA it might be thought that this is the last country that would play fast and loose with any aspect of aviation security.
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'A hole appeared in the side of the plane and then he was gone': Mogadishu jet survivor says elderly passenger caught fire and was sucked out of cabin at 14,000 feet
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/trave ... z3z7aXNoRS
Shocking story but thankfully the aircraft landed safely. The probable cause of the incident was a bomb on board the aircraft.
'A hole appeared in the side of the plane and then he was gone': Mogadishu jet survivor says elderly passenger caught fire and was sucked out of cabin at 14,000 feet
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/trave ... z3z7aXNoRS
Shocking story but thankfully the aircraft landed safely. The probable cause of the incident was a bomb on board the aircraft.
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CNN is reporting 2 Somali airport workers have been arrested
Video shows airport workers with laptop used in Somalia in-flight jet blast
CNN is reporting 2 Somali airport workers have been arrested
Video shows airport workers with laptop used in Somalia in-flight jet blast
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ISIS fighters release post-Brussels video threatening Downing St and Heathrow Airport
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...Downing-Street-Brit-fighters-Brussels-attacks
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...Downing-Street-Brit-fighters-Brussels-attacks
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Without access to the background of the video it's impossible to say whether this is a genuine 'warning' by people who have the capacity to carry out such acts; whether it's the work of local sympathisers who are but mere fantasists; whether it's a hoax in my opinion in extremely bad taste.
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