Bad news

It appears that flights from May until 18th June have already been cut from daily to 5x weekly with Mon and Thu flights being removed from sale.

The airport really needs to up its game regarding advertising as this could lead into the rest of the summer, or even further cuts!
 
Bad news

It appears that flights from May until 18th June have already been cut from daily to 5x weekly with Mon and Thu flights being removed from sale.

The airport really needs to up its game regarding advertising as this could lead into the rest of the summer, or even further cuts!
That broadly coincides with Ramadan (16 May to 15 June) when the ME3 airlines often reduce their schedules. The odd thing is that they didn't do it from the start. This will play into the hands of the route doom mongers.
 
Bad news

It appears that flights from May until 18th June have already been cut from daily to 5x weekly with Mon and Thu flights being removed from sale.

The airport really needs to up its game regarding advertising as this could lead into the rest of the summer, or even further cuts!
The advertising campaign for the Bristol and the South West will be starting in earnest shortly but as for South Wales they have advertised using radio, social media and Wales Online has promoted the route heavily. They've also conducted events at the Celtic Manor and in Pembrokeshire. Apart from TV adds i can't think of anything else they can do. Like TLY says Ramadan is at that time. Cardiff is a new route so their will be some chopping and changing and to be honest 5 weekly is probably a better frequency to start the route with.
 
After thinking about this logically - how many J seats has the 787 got? Im sure it less than 30.

After a few months of the routes operation, I would be surprised if they couldn’t fill at least 20 per day. They’re must be at least 20 business travellers living in south wales that will fly KLM via AMS each day or travel to Heathrow to fly long haul. They should also be able to pick off some from the southwest, with perhaps 2 or 3 leisure customers per day flying it. In theory, there should be a fullish J cabin each day a few months down the line.
 
22 on a Qatar 787 8. Also for the business cabin there will be business passengers from abroad and of course Welsh Government officials, i doubt they'll be travelling economy!:LOL:
Let's hope so but remember that the Continental service between Bristol and Newark had only 16 business-first seats but a lack of full-fare passengers in that cabin was one of the reasons that CO eventually pulled out. Although BRS has a larger and generally wealthier catchment it might be that its long haul passengers are more wedded to LHR than CWL's as LHR is really just along the M4.

The downside is that if it was difficult to lure them onto the BRS route it might be even more difficult to get them to use CWL, so a concerted and wide-ranging advertising push in the Bristol city region is so important if the route is to attract passengers from that part of England who I am sure feature in Qatar's calculations for a successful route.

A major advertising campaign on Bristol buses would be a start. Everyone out and about in the city sees those. Adverts on small local commercial radio stations in Bristol are only heard by a relatively few people.

Our 20-year old 'local' grandson popped in to see us today. Next autumn he intends visiting Australia with a mate on a working holiday for 6-12 months. They'd made preliminary web enquiries re air fares but had looked no further than LHR. They were unaware of the CWL Qatar service until I told our grandson about it today. Whether they use it is down to price. At the moment some of the plethora of airlines at LHR are still a better option.
 
Let's hope so but remember that the Continental service between Bristol and Newark had only 16 business-first seats but a lack of full-fare passengers in that cabin was one of the reasons that CO eventually pulled out. Although BRS has a larger and generally wealthier catchment it might be that its long haul passengers are more wedded to LHR than CWL's as LHR is really just along the M4.
I think we have to remember as well that filling the business cabin for US flights will be different from filling a Qatar cabin. With a route to New York you are generally accessing 1 city and yes while it is a hub many people heading to the West Coast or the South or the Midwest or Canada might choose Amsterdam while Doha gives access to more potential connections to South East Asia, China and 1 stop options to Australia and New Zealand. If you look at many regional airports across the UK they seem to be able to sustain a ME3 route better than a NYC so i'd suggest it might be easier to fill an ME3 Business cabin than an US3 cabin.
 
I think we have to remember as well that filling the business cabin for US flights will be different from filling a Qatar cabin. With a route to New York you are generally accessing 1 city and yes while it is a hub many people heading to the West Coast or the South or the Midwest or Canada might choose Amsterdam while Doha gives access to more potential connections to South East Asia, China and 1 stop options to Australia and New Zealand. If you look at many regional airports across the UK they seem to be able to sustain a ME3 route better than a NYC so i'd suggest it might be easier to fill an ME3 Business cabin than an US3 cabin.
Well it might but the CO route to EWR was certainly not just used be NYC-bound passengers. Our son used it regularly in the business-first cabin for work and often used the massive CO (as it then was) hub at EWR for onward travel across North America as did many others to his knowledge. Having said that, at times it was a better use of his time to travel direct from LHR to some destinations in North America. The BRS-EWR route worked up to 50% North America originating passengers.
 
Well it might but the CO route to EWR was certainly not just used be NYC-bound passengers. Our son used it regularly in the business-first cabin for work and often used the massive CO (as it then was) hub at EWR for onward travel across North America as did many others to his knowledge. Having said that, at times it was a better use of his time to travel direct from LHR to some destinations in North America. The BRS-EWR route worked up to 50% North America originating passengers.

I did use it myself once for a connection to MCO, both legs were full if I remember right. Obviously when open skies came in it pretty much sealed its fate however.

I think we do have more potential going east than west to the east coast of the US. You can try and grab the AUS and NZ traffic which have more cultural ties and similarities with the UK than anywhere else in world in my opinion (excluding Ireland amd I’ve never been to Canada which the Uk is sometimes compared too so won’t comment).

One thing which I think we are really missing here is a Dubai connection from DOH. Hopefully the KSIA, UAE and Qatar governments are working hard to resolve the issues.
 
I did use it myself once for a connection to MCO, both legs were full if I remember right. Obviously when open skies came in it pretty much sealed its fate however.
I think you are right. No matter how well the CO route at BRS was doing it would have made little sense for CO to have maintained it once they gained access to LHR which of course they didn't have when the BRS route started in 2005.

They first switched their LGW-EWR route to LHR and in November 2010 effectively moved the BRS route along the M4 to LHR to become the fifth daily rotation that CO then operated to EWR from there.

The point has been made that different considerations apply to routes to the ME than to the USA and it's a fair point.
 
The point has been made that different considerations apply to routes to the ME than to the USA and it's a fair point.
It is noticeable though that the ME3 seem to be expanding in the regional airports in the UK by adding either extra flights at their current airports, upgrading equipment and opening up new destinations. Whereas the US3 seem to be retreating from them or in the case of Delta handing over MAN to Virgin. I wonder how long it'll be before Virgin gets some A321neo's to takeover Delta's Scottish routes?

With reference to Qatar cutting to 5 weekly and Ramadan possibly being the reason (elsewhere some think it's the beginning of the end) i wonder if it's actually just a coincidence and possibly Qatar have not been able to recruit enough staff to handle the 7 weekly flights so have had to cut it for the first 7 weeks until they come up to full manning with their check in, customer service and dispatching staff.
 
Id love to be proven wrong, but I am more that convinced that the cuts are down to poor loads. I have been following travel sites offerings of the QR route closely recently, eg. TCX offer Phuket packages using Tue flights, Bali + Sri Lanka Friday. I rarely see packages being offered on Mon or Thu flights. Is it coincidental that the 2 days cut are not days offered as frequently as others for packages?

QR obviously are happy with loads after 18th June, they could have quite easily cut Mon and Thu flights for the rest of the season if they wasn't happy with the uptake, it would be easily to do it all in one hit rather than do it in dribs and drabs. Remember it is a proven fact that CWL is a 'seasonal' airport and QR will be aware of this. The middle of June is 'holiday season,' people also finishing University etc, so loads from here onwards on should be sustainable at daily. I am more than convinced there will be no more cuts now with February being prime time to book holidays. CWL and QR should now in my opinion ramp up the marketing whether it is in South Wales, West Wales, South West of England, with less than 3 months until launch date, now is the best time to create awareness for leisure pax who plan 3-12 months in advance and those business pax who will now be looking at options for the rest of the year.

I was surprised not to see QR advertising at the Wales v Scotland game, a chance to market the service to a massive reach both at the stadium and on the TV. Now is the time to get on TV, whether it is sponsoring local weather like VY and BE have done. This is the biggest route CWL has ever had or likely to have for a long time, so surely the marketing budget should be maxed out to a sustainable level because if this works for CWL; it will be the catalyst for massive growth as airlines will sit up and take note of what is going on, and would want some action themselves.
 
It is noticeable though that the ME3 seem to be expanding in the regional airports in the UK by adding either extra flights at their current airports, upgrading equipment and opening up new destinations. Whereas the US3 seem to be retreating from them or in the case of Delta handing over MAN to Virgin. I wonder how long it'll be before Virgin gets some A321neo's to takeover Delta's Scottish routes?

With reference to Qatar cutting to 5 weekly and Ramadan possibly being the reason (elsewhere some think it's the beginning of the end) i wonder if it's actually just a coincidence and possibly Qatar have not been able to recruit enough staff to handle the 7 weekly flights so have had to cut it for the first 7 weeks until they come up to full manning with their check in, customer service and dispatching staff.
They've also reduced the service to 5 x weekly for the winter months so it's more likely that Ramadan is the reason in my opinion. Although the reduction is not completely in line with Ramadan in 2018 (mid May to Mid June) it would probably have been confusing to have started the service with a daily schedule for a couple of weeks and then dropping to 5 x weekly.

However, the decision not to have gone with this (5 x weekly until mid June) from the time the first schedule was announced is equally confusing and in some ways worse because some people will have booked to travel on the days that have now been cancelled. Some of those won't be best pleased and understandably so (I notice one poster on another forum is incensed at having his booking cancelled).

Qatar have given no explanation for the frequency cut. Poor communication with customers or potential customers happens all too often in the industry. The way Primera has dealt with the BHX issue is appalling. If it is Ramadan that's behind the reduction why not say so? If it's poor bookings over that period that are the reason they might not want to broadcast that, but if they don't some people will speculate anyway. Far better to admit bookings were disappointing for this period (if they were) and add that the advertised schedule will not be cut for the remainder of the season or next winter. If they don't there will be a concern amongst some people that they might reduce the schedule in, say, September if bookings for that period are not up to scratch.

The comments by the airline CEO made some months ago seemed very strange to air in public too. To say he had decided to commence the route in the face of advice to the contrary from some of his route planners seemed crass and would have put a doubt in some people's minds about the wisdom of using the service in case he was wrong and his staff were right.

All in all Qatar have not covered themselves in glory in my view. It's a great shame because they are one of the best airlines in the world for customer satisfaction. From what I've been told (I've not used them yet) their product is excellent.
 
QR obviously are happy with loads after 18th June, they could have quite easily cut Mon and Thu flights for the rest of the season if they wasn't happy with the uptake, it would be easily to do it all in one hit rather than do it in dribs and drabs. Remember it is a proven fact that CWL is a 'seasonal' airport and QR will be aware of this. The middle of June is 'holiday season,' people also finishing University etc, so loads from here onwards on should be sustainable at daily. I am more than convinced there will be no more cuts now with February being prime time to book holidays.
It may well be possible in the future then that Cardiff's winter season is from November to beginning of June so it could be 5 weekly and go to 7 weekly from June to October. Actually coincidentally enough Iberia Express starts middle of June as well.
I was surprised not to see QR advertising at the Wales v Scotland game, a chance to market the service to a massive reach both at the stadium and on the TV. Now is the time to get on TV, whether it is sponsoring local weather like VY and BE have done. This is the biggest route CWL has ever had or likely to have for a long time, so surely the marketing budget should be maxed out to a sustainable level because if this works for CWL; it will be the catalyst for massive growth as airlines will sit up and take note of what is going on, and would want some action themselves.
I wouldn't be surprised that with the Six Nations that there is a big waiting list for advertising same with the Autumn Internationals. Many of the advertisers will be on long term contracts as well. So it could be a while before the airport gets the chance to advertise at those games. TV advertising is also very expensive and personally if they have that in the budget i'd spend it on TV advertising over the bridge.
I know they are going to be advertising more over the bridge over the next couple of weeks so it's a case of wait and see what they come up with.
 
You make a fair point Liam, however I personally think it’s down to Ramadam if I had to conclude, simply because it’s back up to daily just as it ends. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic.

Qatar are in market share mode rather than profit mode. The Qatari government want to make Doha into the next Dubai and Qatar Airways into the next Emirates, so understandably I think they want to grow as quickly as possible and pick up secondary and tertiary markets, e.g CWL. I think the key is getting established and then the route should bear fruit.
 
However, the decision not to have gone with this (5 x weekly until mid June) from the time the first schedule was announced is equally confusing and in some ways worse because some people will have booked to travel on the days that have now been cancelled. Some of those won't be best pleased and understandably so (I notice one poster on another forum is incensed at having his booking cancelled).
They were probably under pressure from the Welsh Government to start it daily and may have adopted a wait and see attitude. Liam has suggested poor bookings because the holiday season doesn't start till mid June.
Yes that poster has now decided to fly with BA which is a shame and as you say it's a pity Qatar and the airport haven't communicated the reason why but that generally seems to be the way with airlines these days.
I do think as well with the route that there may well be tweaks and alterations to frequencies but that Qatar are here for the long term to grow the route
 
They were probably under pressure from the Welsh Government to start it daily and may have adopted a wait and see attitude. Liam has suggested poor bookings because the holiday season doesn't start till mid June.
Yes that poster has now decided to fly with BA which is a shame and as you say it's a pity Qatar and the airport haven't communicated the reason why but that generally seems to be the way with airlines these days.
If the Welsh Government did have an influence it's poor judgement on their part not to have left it to the airline and poor judgement on the part of the airline for listening to the government given the subsequent reduction.
 
They were probably under pressure from the Welsh Government to start it daily and may have adopted a wait and see attitude. Liam has suggested poor bookings because the holiday season doesn't start till mid June.
Yes that poster has now decided to fly with BA which is a shame and as you say it's a pity Qatar and the airport haven't communicated the reason why but that generally seems to be the way with airlines these days.
I do think as well with the route that there may well be tweaks and alterations to frequencies but that Qatar are here for the long term to grow the route

Personally Jerry I think the only time that poster had a flight booked was in his head.

I’ll be on the service come May and I’ll report back with the loadings before the official stats are out.
 

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