TUI Airways

[alphagolf]

Summer 2020 Dreamliner Flights

Looking at the online Tui Flight timetable, the following flights are scheduled to operate. It maybe an error but on a Thursday 2 x Dreamliners are required........ see below:-

 

[Jerry]

Summer 2020 Dreamliner Flights

Looking at the online Tui Flight timetable, the following flights are scheduled to operate. It maybe an error but on a Thursday 2 x Dreamliners are required........ see below:-

Yep 1 to do Dubrovnik and Larnaca and 1 for Orlando.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/passengers-stranded-after-bristol-airport-2492884

TOM434 (Boeing 757) from Bristol to Hurghada today landed at Munich following a tchnical issue en route. TUI said the delay at Munich was not expected to be a long one.

The return flight, TOM435, due BRS at 2300 this evening is showing an eta of 0030 on Friday morning.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/passengers-stranded-after-bristol-airport-2492884

TOM434 (Boeing 757) from Bristol to Hurghada today landed at Munich following a tchnical issue en route. TUI said the delay at Munich was not expected to be a long one.

The return flight, TOM435, due BRS at 2300 this evening is showing an eta of 0030 on Friday morning.

BRS website now showing TOM435 not expected until 2105 this evening - assuming the airport is open by then.

 

[superking]

Were the arrival/departure boards yesterday (sunday) correct,or was there a blip. Why I ask is the BY835 (tom) was down for arrival at 06.10 from BGI. The flight arrived this morning (Monday) at 5.55.Was this flight a day late or was it a blip in the arrivals boards.

 

[Marko1]

The remaining tbas to Dlm and Ant have been assigned - freebird. Is the schedule complete now ?

 

[Severn]

There has been lots of talk over this summers TUI base, mainly regarding the BRS based B752s being replaced with B738s. I thought I'd take a look at the summer 2019 programme vs summer 2018, and took a week in August as an example:

August 2018:
65x weekly departing flights - made up of:

29x B752 - TUI​

29x B738 - TUI​

4x B788 - TUI (1x Shorthaul, 3x Longhaul)​

1x A320 - Freebird​

1x A320 - Air Malta​

1x B738 - Neos​

August 2019:
68x weekly departing flights - made up of:

58x B738 - TUI​

6x B788 - TUI (3x Shorthaul, 3x Longhaul)​

2x A320 - Freebird​

1x A320 - Air Malta​

1x B738 - Neos​

​

Using the following numbers I've worked out weekly departing seats fo summer 18 vs 19:
300 seats for B788s,
221 seats for B752s,
189 seats for B738s,
180 seats for A320s

Summer 2018 - 13,639 seats
Summer 2019 - 13,491 seats

2018: Longhaul - 900 seats / 3x flights
2019: Longhaul - 900 seats / 3x flights

2018: Shorthaul by TUI - 12,190 seats / 59x flights
2019: Shorthaul by TUI - 11,862 seats / 61x flights

2018: Shorthaul by other carriers - 549 seats / 3x flights
2019: Shorthaul by other carriers - 729 seats / 4x flights

That's only a loss of 148 seats per week this summer!

 

[TheLocalYokel]

There has been lots of talk over this summers TUI base, mainly regarding the BRS based B752s being replaced with B738s. I thought I'd take a look at the summer 2019 programme vs summer 2018, and took a week in August as an example:

August 2018:
65x weekly departing flights - made up of:

29x B752 - TUI​

29x B738 - TUI​

4x B788 - TUI (1x Shorthaul, 3x Longhaul)​

1x A320 - Freebird​

1x A320 - Air Malta​

1x B738 - Neos​

August 2019:
68x weekly departing flights - made up of:

58x B738 - TUI​

6x B788 - TUI (3x Shorthaul, 3x Longhaul)​

2x A320 - Freebird​

1x A320 - Air Malta​

1x B738 - Neos​

​

Using the following numbers I've worked out weekly departing seats fo summer 18 vs 19:
300 seats for B788s,
221 seats for B752s,
189 seats for B738s,
180 seats for A320s

Summer 2018 - 13,639 seats
Summer 2019 - 13,491 seats

2018: Longhaul - 900 seats / 3x flights
2019: Longhaul - 900 seats / 3x flights

2018: Shorthaul by TUI - 12,190 seats / 59x flights
2019: Shorthaul by TUI - 11,862 seats / 61x flights

2018: Shorthaul by other carriers - 549 seats / 3x flights
2019: Shorthaul by other carriers - 729 seats / 4x flights

That's only a loss of 148 seats per week this summer!

Many thanks for that, Severn.

Taking your figures a stage further, that would mean 296 fewer seats each week out and back (1184 every four weeks) which is the equivalent of one 150-seat size aircraft rotation per week.

On the assumption that the summer season lasts six months (26 weeks), which it doesn't in its entirety because not every summer route operates for the whole summer season, that would mean a loss of around 7,500 seats in total. The shoulder periods probably see a pro rata proportion between 2018 and 2019 based on August, so in broad terms it looks as though there will be somewhere between 7,000 and 8,000 fewer seats in 2019 which is nowhere near as bad as originally feared.

 

[Marko1]

So it’s not as bad as one thinks and the gain of an extra ezy 319 would more than compensate for the loss of passengers this summer. However it is still disappointing that tui wishes to reduce seats available from brs and wishes at the moment to replicate those losses in summer 2020 too .

 

[kraktoa]

TUI has 8 737 Max 8 aircraft. Will they be forc3d to ground them by our CAA?

 

[Jerry]

TUI has 8 737 Max 8 aircraft. Will they be forc3d to ground them by our CAA?

Depends if the CAA think they are a danger to life i suppose. I'm sure they are in touch with Boeing and the FAA. I'd imagine if the FAA grounds them the CAA will follow suit.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

So it’s not as bad as one thinks and the gain of an extra ezy 319 would more than compensate for the loss of passengers this summer. However it is still disappointing that tui wishes to reduce seats available from brs and wishes at the moment to replicate those losses in summer 2020 too .

Easily compensate. The addtional easyJet aircraft will be flying 2/3 rotation each day as opposed to the equivalent loss of one rotation per week with TUI.

TUI has 8 737 Max 8 aircraft. Will they be forc3d to ground them by our CAA?

A few airlines around the world have taken unilateral action and grounded their own aircraft. If regulatory authorities decide the entire type should be grounded that's going to be a hell of a problem for Boeing and for the airlines that already operate the type.

 

[kraktoa]

The CAA has prohibited the Max 8 from UK airspace this lunchtime.

So TUI will be forced to ground its planes based in Manchester. What will be the fallout at Bristol? As TUI has to find alternative planes and may draw from other bases.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

The CAA has prohibited the Max 8 from UK airspace this lunchtime.

So TUI will be forced to ground its planes based in Manchester. What will be the fallout at Bristol? As TUI has to find alternative planes and may draw from other bases.

There are a few weeks before the summer season kicks in. If the 737 Max 8s are still not allowed to fly by then it will be developing into a major problem for Boeing and the airlines that have purachased the type or are in the queue for orders.

 

[Marko1]

I just hope it’s a glitch but there seems to be significant cuts for the 2020 programme. Palma down to 3 weekly , skiathos and girona gone and larnaca reduces to once a week and not on the Dreamliner.

 

[Severn]

Clearly some schedule changes going on, and possibly all will be restored shortly. Flights have only been removed from the schedule and no other timings have been changed.

The flights removed are all morning flights on Mo, Tu, Th and Fr, meaning there are only 3x 737 departures on those mornings. However 4x 737s are required those afternoons and all day We, Sa and Su.

Maybe new routes are to be announced to fill these gaps?

Also, the Dreamliner schedule is also not finalised with 2x 787s required on a Thursday, one morning DBV and an early afternoon CUN The DBV arrives back around an hour after the CUN leaves, which doesn't make much sense at the moment.

Maybe a fifth aircraft is about to be loaded, or maybe a 787 is to be based all week? On the other-hand maybe we are to see a reduction of the base to only 3x 737s, but this seems unlikely given the year-on-year expansion at BRS by TUI.

 

[TheLocalYokel]

I just hope it’s a glitch but there seems to be significant cuts for the 2020 programme. Palma down to 3 weekly , skiathos and girona gone and larnaca reduces to once a week and not on the Dreamliner.

Re Larnaca, I wonder if easyJet's new route there is a consideration.

 

[kraktoa]

Have TUI added more seats to their Dreamliners?

 

[Jerry]

Have TUI added more seats to their Dreamliners?

I don't think so. The 787 8s are 300 and the 9s are 350 I believe.

 

[Foxlimayankee]

Looks like the first CUN is tech stopping in EMA this morning